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In Reply to: RE: Certainly SACD is better - if it's not, something is seriously wrong! [nt] ;-) posted by jazz1 on June 24, 2012 at 23:33:29
*****They have a quality that SACD does not have, the sound seems more colorful.****
*colorful* may be the operative description.
Above, I referred to vinyl as being a "tunable". By that I mean that the sound is easily manipulated, far more so that a SACD player/transport. The sound of any given rig can be changed/alter in a clearly audible way. I've done it. It's easy to do. Just change to cartridge. Or change cartridge loading from 100 ohms to 1000 ohms, for example. Or change the phono line stage, or switch out the step up transformer, or add a step up transformer, replace a Chinese tube type, with a different Russian tube type, switch from a Denon DL103 to a Koetsu Black, etc. Due to the almost endless input choices available to vinyl devotees in shaping the sound that he or she wants for their specific rigs, in my opinion, vinyl an extremely poor reference standard except, perhaps, to the format itself.
You are a disciple of "tonal accuracy"; not a hall mark of vinyl.
Robert C. Lang
We have a few turntables set up in the shop and I always have a feeling that in comparison CD's/SAcd's do not sound as colorful, brass sound brassier, piano's a little richer, violins a little woodier,they do not sound as dry!! Difficult to explain.
Yet all the TT's are set up differently and of different price levels.
From 5K to 40K
Maybe it is a coincidence that they all have this little extra realism,
the only constant is that they all feed valve amplification.
Maybe one day I must do a few swops and feed them into some solid state amps.
It is just that the TT buyers tend to be valves guys
The fact remain that I like convenience and cd's/sacd's gives me that.
Not to mention that almost all available vinyl was recorded during the tube era with an all tube recording chain, recording decks, amps, etc. Tubes are at the heart of my own vinyl system which includes a 4 tube Music Reference phono pre and my primary amplifier, Nuvista 300, that also includes tubes in the circuitry. Sounds pretty good, but I am experienced enough to know that it falls short of the realism imparted by my SACD system. Although, I think you put it best that vinyl has the *extra realism* (euphonic sweetner) that is unique to vinyl.
By the way, this *extra realism* is not necessarily an "analog" thing it is a singular "vinyl" thing. If you have an opportunity to swap out or compare some reel-to-reel with vinyl you will know what I mean. Most vinyl lovers I know (me, too, in many cases) take the sound of LPs over quality reel to reel which avoids the RIAA colorization (oops, equalization) and which is audibly closer to the source.
Also play some digitally sourced vinyl. They are just fine or certainly less "tainted" to many vinyl lovers than the CD version even though (or because) they have gone the LP sausage making process. Go figure.
Robert C. Lang
We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
just another silly myth based on totally false pretensions.
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