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I've been in the market for a good, cheap universal player, or at least one that plays DVDs and SACDs (i don't care about DVD-A) and after reading several good reviews, ordered the Oppo 970. My system is strictly 2-channel and consists of a Musical Fidelity CD/24 Preamp/CD player, a pair of Red Rose M150 mono-blocks, and Vienna Acounstics Beethovens. Most of my listening these days is USB audio- i have about 400GBs of Apple Lossles files stored on an external drive, and send the audio out from my PB via an Edirol USB-to-SPDIF converter, and the coax to the MF. The resulting sound is quite good, if not quite as good as the internal CD drive on the MF. you can't beat the convenience however.I didn't really evaluate the video performance, except to note it looked better via S-Video hooked up to my 27" XBR than did my old Pioneer Elite DV-05. it also did a much better job reading scratched discs.
The Oppo arrived and initial impressions were positive, and it seemd to get better and better as the unit broke in. A word about Oppo's customer service, which has been exemplary (with one exception, which i'll explain below, and which is why the unit is going back). The first unit i ordered was apparently stolen before it was delivered- it was "signed for", but i never received it. I called FedEX, who suggested calling Oppo, who in turn immediately agreed to send out a new unit. no muss, no fuss, no claims to file- very impressive!
All my listening was done via the "mixed outputs", w/ the Oppo's audio mixdown settigs set to Stereo. this is the standard two-channel output. As mentioned elsewhere, and as confirmed directly by Oppo to me, this unit does convert DSD to PCM via all outputs, not just the HDMI outs, but both 2 channel and multi-channel outs. In theory I object, and perhaps the conversion accounts for some of the niggling complaints i have about the sound, but for $149 bucks...
...this thing is a stone-cold bargin. The overall sound can be described in one word as "transparent." "expansive" works as well; the oppo is capable of casting a massive soundstage, broad and deep, and provides excellent deliniation of inner orchestral voices. to some extent there is an occasional loss of overall coherency, the ability to weave complex orhestral passages into a seamless whole, and RPT is merely adequate, not exceptional. These omissions may just be the result of a slight overall treble tilt. strings can sound a bit glassy, but bass performance is fairly good.
I did some comparisons of the Oppo on SACD vs. the MF on CD. the MF has superior pace, and is better integrated, but soundstage of the oppo remained seductive, and the latter player has a way of drawing you into the performance that's missing from the MF, good as it is. Perhaps it's just the difference between SACD and CD.
So why then, if the Oppo sounds so good, at such a reasonable price, am i returning it? because it has one fatal flaw, one that i had not seen listed in any review, and one that was not listed in Oppos FAQ until i made a fuss about it. As you may have inferred from the above, most of my listening was classical SACDS, including the new LS opera recordings, which are by and large wonderful, with much better sound than previous releases in other formats. I popped in the Boheme, and was immdediately captivated by the sound- broad, open, warm even, and as merril sang the opening lines you could also "see" into the bohemians garrett. just before rodolfo's entrance, that was a slight pause in the sound, a skip, like the player couldn't read the disc. odd- i took the disc out, blew any dust off, and tried again- same result. perhaps it's just the disc? so i tried traviata (w/ tucker as the butchest alfredo on record), and got the same result at the first track change...and at the second, and third, and as i watched the player display it became apparent the oppo inserts a one second pause between tracks on SACDs!
it doesn't do this on CD, or DVD, and Oppo's explanation, when i wrote to inquire, was beyond lame, suggesting that somehow "gapless" SACD playback was just an unsupported feature, rather than a clear bug (see link below). They said it did not become apparent until the player had shipped (which just means no one really listened to the final design) and promise to address it in a future firmware update, but can't say when that might be, a week, a month, a year from now.
The result is this thing is completely useless as an SACD player unless all you listen to is pop or jazz, and even then, playback of discs like Dark Side of the Moon and the new Moody Blues would be seriously disrupted. I'm astounded no one has mentioned this previously, and I've never come across another player that does the same thing.
So back it goes, and I remain in the market for an SACD player, at the low end of the scale. I prefer something that doesn't convert DSD to PCM, but not sure that's possible in my price range. I need DVD-V playback, but not DVD-A. possible candidates are:
-Denon 1920 ($299 at Amazon)
-Denon 1930 CI (also $299-anyone seen this yet? it appears to be new)
-HK DVD-47 ($249)
-Sony DVP-NS90V ($199, no DVD-A, which is fine, and makes me wonder whether it stays pure DSD)any other suggestions, and any insight as to whether any of the above sound as good as the oppo overall?
Follow Ups:
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv970hd/dv970hd-firmware-4a-1113.htmlA fix for what ails ya!
...grey market from Canada available on eBay for less than $300. Extremely transparent....all the things you like re the Oppo...none of the drawbacks. Pure DSD decoding in "Direct" mode (no speaker comp/no internal bass crossover). Both this unit and an earlier Sony C222ES have proven reliable for me.I've heard from others with 2000ES's in response to similar posts done previously, and nobody has had anything but praise. I consider them great bargains...too bad they are not in widespread distribution.
Harry
they seem to be still on sony's site, so perhaps it's still current. i wonder about the 555es, and the 3100es as well. the latter does dvd-v, but not dvd-a.
It was fatal for me for classica music. A pause right before the final section of Pictures at an Exhibition completely broke the flow of the music, and I too found the pause after the 3rd movement in the Beethoven 5th unacceptable. However, I didn't return mine, as I expect to be able to take advantage of the video perormance very shortly. On SACD I found it to be not as good as my Sony 2000ES that cost me only $20 more new and delivered. I posted a comparison of the two below.Perhaps if many owners of the 570D would complain about the pause inserted for every track change, they would speed up up the fix. I was also annoyed that the remote standard buttons for track advance and replay of the track currently playing don't work correctly, but at least I found a work-around for those; it does take two buttons, though.
Never heard of that model. Is that a Euro nomenclature?thx
I didn't think hardly anyone read my posts, and this was a test. I often put a fair amount of time into them, and as near as I can tell, most of them aren't even read, so I have been considering turning into a pure lurker. No, to be serious, for some reason lost deep in my psyche, I mistyped it once and it stuck in my mind that way. I know of no other correct designation than the 970D. In an hour or so I will be within a mile of the Oppo company here in the US, and maybe I should stop by and let them give me a slap in the face for my error. On the other hand, not all of what I said was complimentary, so maybe they preferred I call it the 570D, now superceded by the much superior 970D
thanks- could you point me to your review? the 2000es looks interesting, but doesn't do dvd at all, correct? where'd you biuy yours new? sony has a single disc machine, the 3100es, that does dvd/sacd/cd, but i can't find any objective info on its performance.
I made several posts about the Oppo, mistyping it as the 570D and the 750D, for reasons that are lost in mysteries of my mind. Some posts are more relevant than others, but you can find them all by going to the "Search" function found at the top, type in oppo for the search and jsm for the author.Joe
I use it predominantly for DVD video. Nice picture over component.I have tried several SACDs and DVD-As on this player and all worked fine. I do have other resources for those formats though so I only use the Denon on occasion for hi-rez audio.
I never really see any comparisons versus the Oppo for video and audio playback but if the Oppo isn't functioning correctly I suppose it doesn't really matter.
The Denon 1920 was What Hi*Fi magazine player of the year when it came out for universal players at that price. I doubt they ever reviewed an Oppo however.
is the 1930ci basically the same machine?
On both the 1920 and 1930. I believe the latter thread has a few comments on the differences of those players. The discussions on the players in that forum however may be mainly for video performance. I have had no experince with the 1930 as I'm happy with the 1920 so really have kept up on with the 1930.Audioreview.com may also have reviews on both of those players as well as ecoustics.com.
I own a 2000ES. It is currently in my bedroom system. It does not do DVD at all you are correct. Very good SACD performance for the money.
I think you are right that the Oppo 970 is a "stone cold bargain". I also think you missed something by not checking out its exceptional video output as well.Having said that, I also believe you responded too quickly by returning it. The SACD "gapless" bug is a long known issue if you read the AVS Forums. It is being addressed in a future firmware update. Oppo is very responsive to feedback and issues firmware very regularly. I would expect the SACD problem to be resolved in a reasonable amount of time.
Considering the value this player represents for both audio and video, I would not let this one issue deter you from auditioning this player.
-CB
i would gladly have kept it, had they been able to offer *any* timeframe for a fix, whatsoever. but they couldn't, and moreover, pretended i was making a big deal over a relatively small issue. this a MAJOR issue. try listening to a mahler symphony with a break between every track, or even beethoven's 5th, whee the 3rd movement transcends seamlessly into the 4th, any live recording, where there would be a big pause in the middle of between track applause, electronic music, ambient, abbey road, should it ever make its way to SACD.
i would gladly have kept it, had they been able to offer *any* timeframe for a fix, whatsoever. but they couldn't, and moreover, pretended i was making a big deal over a relatively small issue. this a MAJOR issue. try listening to a mahler symphony with a break between every track, or even beethoven's 5th, whee the 3rd movement transcends seamlessly into the 4th, any live recording, where there would be a big pause in the middle of between track applause, electronic music, ambient, abbey road, should it ever make its way to SACD.
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