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In Reply to: RE: hd800 bad reputation posted by Old SteveA on October 21, 2015 at 14:38:30
... Sennheiser was trying to make the HD-800 sound as much like a pair of loudspeakers as possible (room acoustics effects inclusive). "Overhang" is exactly what you get with a pair of speakers in a real room.
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That wasn't what I was affter,as I failed to comlete explaining that this occurs due to he fact you're not hearing the sound of the recorded music in the same "realtime" as it exists in the recording..
To me it sounds like the "ring radiator" (The ring holding the driver & the black protective screen that sits behind it, to the headphone) is working like a mild "reverb" circuit. I think it is
working like this because once these parts are gone, all the inner detail on your recordings
"magically"appears .
The trick here is that you may prefer what this "effect" was doing for your music as I think it is
probably music genre specific as to if you think how the HD800 is enhacement to what you listen to, or if you feel it is being too intrusive by creating a "different" version of what you're listening to.... But the HD800 are great headphones (fixed, that is)
So ,no it isn't giving me exactly what I get with a pair of speakers in a room. Neither my Spendor SP1s or Magneplanar 2.7QR loudspeakers changed the realtime recorded transients enough to change their connective relationships for the sake of how the music was
imaging.. Making assumed room corrections inside a headphones are a complete fail for me.
I didn't ask for it, nor do I need it !
Now, you can delete your other replies (below). This one seems to be the best of the three.
Interesting theory, BTW.
There is a thread over on "H. fi" that starts with a prelude from Sennheiser with an Introductory title of "Redefining Excellence" that gave me a little chuckle when I read it !
Senn. has been in the Headphones business enough years to have the "Technical Chops" to make reliable products. In many cases when you use them with playback equipment that is equally tech advantaged (or more so), they can't help overstepping what they need to do,
because they're not "voiced" to sound neutral with this level of equipment. You really can't fault Sennheiser for doing this as the majority of anyone who listens to music feels that as long as you're using "good" speakers (or headphones) the rest of what you use will fall in linebehind them correctly. It's really just a case of Sennheiser deciding to act like your playback system's "Audio Godfather".
I think it's time to take a visit to "H.fi" to see how many ridiculous postings I find from posters who have more in common with the title "Clueless Supremus" than other silly titles someone on the site decided to give them. I'll make some friends for life if I suggest you can fix any headphones weaknesses by just using the most popular device over there a Tube Headphone Amp ...."Ooooo" (as Buggs would say "What maroons")
Apparently you know more than anyone else. It is shocking you are not the head designer at Sennheiser
To imply that everyone who believes a tube amp can help smooth over a bright edge / trait is a moron, shows who the real moron is.
I have no doubt you may be knowledgeable when it comes to audio, to assume you can determine what others hear based on your opinions is at best asinine. ALL HEARING IS SUBJECTIVE
What A hears or how they interpret what they hear is pretty much guaranteed to be different than what B Hears or how they interpret same
I dont personally rely on anyone's opinion or otherwise to decide my chain of gear, and I frankly doubt Sennheiser or any speaker / Headphone company sets out to build a product based on what consumers may have to play in conjunction with that product. It would be a dubious task at best considering the hundreds of thousands of choices consumers have to make up there preferred chain.
IMHO Sennheiser and all other companies offering a product develop a product they feel superior based on there tech in the hopes that consumers will buy it.
Your interpretation of what I posted was way more aggressively incorrect then I was at any
point trying to convince anyone of anything .
I really don't care to take hip shots at anyone for the sake of trying to promote what I think
I think I know!
I honestly would never suggest that "someone" was a moron for what "They" might have to say . That's not to say that I don't think some of what they believe to be a bit too simplistic, as even smart people can have some silly ideas (If Im guilty of anything it would be using a dopey scenario, & then making a "careless" dopey comment)
I hate when I have to explain myself to others, but the alternative to this would be let people think I'm a non-thinking person trying to promote things because they're contrary to conventional thought . I will admit I'm not a conventional thinker, but I don't have any agenda to convince anyone of anything outside of "their" comfort zone (& I need an Almond Snickers
bar for my comfort zone about now) (I was about to start singing some of the Jimi Hendrix song "Hey Joe...where you gonna go with that gun in your hand", but decided against doing that) (oops!! being dishonest we can't have that)
or HD-700i ;-)
'i' for, 'I' can tolerate them.
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