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In Reply to: RE: Quantum mechanics, Newtonian dynamics and human psychology posted by Analog Scott on October 10, 2023 at 17:46:49
I'm not nerd joking about. I'm drawing up an idea based on the robin.
The robin's eye and QM show a biological connection to the external world and an invisible external world at that, i.e the Earth's magnetic field, possibly.
I'm unsure myself, as to tiny difference between cables, a realy good system to notice the difference suffices maybe.
Regarding psychology, a mental state could tune the mind to pick up more of the same stuff. Like a happy person sees good in things otherwise not seen by a grumpy person, both see alternate truths of things. Gearing the mind to register certain things or frequencies if we are to look at science and the robin.
See, the robin story shows QM and biology. I'm playing on it.
Seeing things from your new audio gear that isn't there... spooky. Or is it spookiness at a distance? Either way, i admit sometimes the psychology of new cables can have me in a trance, one that's in my head? Shame.
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"The robin's eye and QM show a biological connection to the external world and an invisible external world at that, i.e the Earth's magnetic field, possibly."
When you or anyone else starts seeing the earth's magnetic field then maybe it will be worth considering. But so far there is no evidence to suggest that humans share this ability with birds. Nor is there any reason to try to tie a bird's unique ability to see the earth's magnetic field to a human's inability to identify sonic differences between cables under blind conditions.
"I'm unsure myself, as to tiny difference between cables, a realy good system to notice the difference suffices maybe."
There are real differences between cables. They have been measured and analyzed. For the most part those differences have little to no audible effect on an audio signal. There really aren't any mysteries here to be solved. The transfer functions of cables are easy to measure. The differences in the transfer of an audio signal between cables are easy to isolate in a simple null test and easy to assess as to their audibility.
We got this. We don't need to try to tie it to birds seeing the magnetic field of the earth.
"Regarding psychology, a mental state could tune the mind to pick up more of the same stuff. Like a happy person sees good in things otherwise not seen by a grumpy person, both see alternate truths of things. Gearing the mind to register certain things or frequencies if we are to look at science and the robin."
Yes, this is an age old excuse used by some audiophiles to explain how they can no longer hear differences under blind conditions that their wives heard from the kitchen when they were listening under sighted conditions. IMO it's a weak excuse that lacks any evidential support. As for "looking to science" it's been done. The answers have already been provided. The problem is those answers simply don't fit the narrative of many audiophiles. Ironically studies in psychoacoustics have thoroughly covered "state of mind" as an issue for ABX and ABChr tests sensitivities. And guidelines have been worked out to avoid any problems.
So now we should ignore all that science and look to Robins that can see the earth's magnetic field as an excuse for the very specific inabilities of audiophiles to identify differences under double blind conditions?
"See, the robin story shows QM and biology. I'm playing on it."
But when it comes to humans hearing differences in cables but failing to do so under blind conditions there is no evidence to suggest we need to look to Robins for an explanation. This is what happens when people don't like the answers science has already given us.
"Seeing things from your new audio gear that isn't there... spooky."
You mean hearing? It's not spooky. It's well understood. We don't need to look to birds for an alternative explanation. We already have a good one. When evidence suggests the explanation we already have doesn't hold up THEN we should look for alternatives. That hasn't happened though.
"Or is it spookiness at a distance? Either way, i admit sometimes the psychology of new cables can have me in a trance, one that's in my head? Shame."
Sometimes I wish the great physicists who brought us quantum mechanics hadn't felt the need to be so creative in their descriptions of it. But I doubt they foresaw people flying so far off the rails when it came to understanding science.
Personally I have mixed feelings about the "trance" new cables cast upon audiophiles. On the one hand it leads to the perpetuation of misinformation in the audiophile world. I don't think that's a good thing for audio or audiophiles. On the other hand it's a hobby and if the hobbyists are having fun then in some strange way it's on point. But for me the balance is tipped by knowing that there are so many manufacturers that are knowingly committing fraud with cables and other similar products. It has reached the point where it dominates the audiophile market. IMO that's a big problem and that is why I am so vocal about it. Even if it means bruising some audiophiles' egos.
So while I genuinely don't want to crap on your enjoyment of your audiophile cables I think unsupported rationalizations aimed to convince others that enjoyment is based on real world differences in sound need to be met with the well established facts that contradict those unsupported rationalizations.
Or to put it another way. If audiophiles want to enjoy things in audio that don't really make an actual difference in the sound then great, enjoy them. But if they want to promote such things as objectively real then they need to brace themselves for the alternative position.
These are great posts.
I'm only commenting on "When you or anyone else starts seeing the earth's magnetic field then maybe it will be worth considering." I had an experience finding water running through a buried PVC pipe with a divining rod. I wrote about the experience and my belief that we have senses, some at the brain stem level, that we are not consciously aware of. There is a strong belief that humans do have a builtin compass.
Did you take Randi's million? I didn't read about it.Tre'
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"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 10/16/23
I used two L shaped copper rods, held loosely in each hand. I first tested walking over a running garden hose, the rod in my left hand turned, right one didn't move. I had the water running through the PVC pipe, walked perpendicular to where it might be, same thing happened at one spot, left one turned right one didn't. I dug, and didn't find the pipe. So I got my wife to tap a discernable pattern on the closest end of the pipe, which was about 120 feet from where I was searching. I used an automotive stethoscope, pushing the end into the ground, and finally heard the tapping exactly where the dowsing had indicated. I dug deeper and found the pipe.
Next three days, did nothing but think about it. My conclusion is this is brain stem stuff, our earliest ancestors, lizards etc., had innate ability to find water utilizing all of their senses. It still exists in us, although mainly untapped. If the water would have been visible, audible, smell etc., I would have had similar reaction. In this case, below the pipe was a layer of caliche and I was feeling the vibration through my feet, at such a low level it didn't make it to my conscious brain, but still had the links, senses to motive that still exist within us. One thing that got me on this track was talking to musicians, they develop an exaggerated sense of vibration, feeling the tones they play and reacting to it at a physical level.
Good lord
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