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of writing checks.
OK, maybe not an art.
A 'craft'?
Maybe just a skill?
"Reality cannot exist because it cannot keep up with the lies on the Internet."
....and more clickbait. Turntable tips? Nada...
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
Hey now, easy on the University of Chicago...-.we deserve better. :0)
What's the big hurry?
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
The only thing I got out of this video is wondering whether Betty was a real audiophile or just someone portraying one...... [-;
If 100 audiophiles and 100 non-audiophiles were to be tested by an audiologist, I believe there would be no real correlation to hearing acuity...... The audiophiles only "hear better" because they have an interest in analyzing sound, and have maybe trained their ears to better perform such task.
But it seems a lot of them think they are. And that is at the very root of what this guy was making fun of.
Audiophiles have been taught by magazines to do the exact opposite of what works when auditioning anything in audio. And that is how you sell magic rocks and $40K power cords to audiophiles. Convincing them to use the worst possible protocols for making comparisons.
Trained listeners are actually trained. They are not home schooled by themselves based on what they read in audio magazines or watched on Youtube.
"Magic rocks" and "Intelligent Chips" serve as a testament to the audiophile mentality. I once saw a $750 wood volume knob designed to replace the volume knob on your amp. Wood being a natural product thus "better," yada-yada resonances...yada-yada Mother Earth. But don't count on Novak Djokovic abandoning his graphite racket for wood anytime soon.
A great Jewish comedian was fond of emphasizing that a successful comic "has got to know his audience." It's easy to imagine those who manufacture and sell such audio products laughing and smirking all the way to the bank as their target audience hands over the cash. Is this a great country or what?
Sorry, it's kind of a boring day.
Nt
...not as much as you do. ~:)
Nt
...Doug. ~:)
Nt
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"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I suspect a lot of the snake oil salesmen know exactly what they are doing and are laughing all the way to the bank. Ted are you reading this?
But I also suspect a good many of them believe their products work. It's not a big jump from consumer to producer in the world of audio.
"I suspect a lot of the snake oil salesmen know exactly what they are doing and are laughing all the way to the bank."
It's as if this problem is unique to audio....... The problem in audio is chump change.........
Nt
I think I'll drink some good tonic water.......... It contains qanon......
Nt
It's definitely not unique to audio. It's a huge problem in medicine and nutrition. Which is far far more serious.
You're jealous and sore he sold more than 100,000 audiophile fuses in the past few years.
"But it seems a lot of them think they are. And that is at the very root of what this guy was making fun of."
Quite possible..... Although most "training" in my experiences is getting familiar with how the real thing sounds like, at actual concerts..... Nothing to do "magazines" that you're referring to......
And I still have hope that Betty is a real audiophile..... I mean, having her over, and dictating to me what's wrong with the sound of my system, and then provide ideas to fix it..... ;-]
"Audiophiles have been taught by magazines to do the exact opposite of what works when auditioning anything in audio."
What exactly does work, may I ask?
"And that is how you sell magic rocks and $40K power cords to audiophiles."
Was that a poke at..... Uhhh..... Never mind...... [-;
"Convincing them to use the worst possible protocols for making comparisons."
Mind you, the magic rocks will not work without the $40k power cords....... ;-p
"Trained listeners are actually trained. They are not home schooled by themselves based on what they read in audio magazines or watched on Youtube."
What would constitute a listener being "actually trained?" .........
Are there schools out there which provide such a training curriculum? A lot of us hack audiophiles could use a better education.......
"Are there schools out there which provide such a training curriculum?"
Not per se, but, depending upon the "student's" field of study/learning/expertise/interests/profession, there definitely are avenues to improving one's ability to be more aware of various characteristics of sounds.
As a few basic examples:
Early in a budding musician's education, we learn to identify the intervals between two notes. Was that a Major fitth? A minor third? Here's a question for you: What is the musical interval between the first two vocal notes of The Beatles' "Hey Jude", or the first two notes of the melody of 'Maria'?
A sound reinforcement or mixing engineer should be proficient in knowing the characteristics of various frequency anomalies, e.g., is that 'honky' sound of the saxophone in the range of 1000 Hz or 4000 Hz? If he wants more 'presence', what range should be bumped up a little?
Describe the difference in timbre between two models/brands of trumpets. (Personally, I prefer the sound of the 'Chicago' Yamaha trumpet over the 'New York' model.)
Which piano has a more 'crisp' attack in the octave starting at C4?
Learning these and MANY MANY other aspects of sound are taught/learned in either a college as part of a degree program, or on-the-job as a budding sound engineer. And, it's an ongoing learning experience throughout one's career!
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We are inclusive and diverse, but dissent will not be tolerated.
"Although most "training" in my experiences is getting familiar with how the real thing sounds like, at actual concerts..... Nothing to do "magazines" that you're referring to......"The magazines I am referring to essentially say the same thing you are saying. However on the pro end and in research there are actual professional listeners who have a formal training. They are actual trained listeners. Very few audiophiles are trained listeners.
> > Audiophiles have been taught by magazines to do the exact opposite of what works when auditioning anything in audio.> >
"What exactly does work, may I ask?"
Time synchronized blind comparisons. I preferably double blind. Level matching should also be done when it's possible. In some cases there is no perfect thing as a level match and that has to be carefully navigated.
> > And that is how you sell magic rocks and $40K power cords to audiophiles.> >
"Was that a poke at..... Uhhh..... Never mind...... [-;"
Believe it or not it wasn't meant as a poke at anyone in particular. It was meant as an honest observation as to how audiophiles with intentions of simply putting together the best sounding system they can on their budgets can end up spending large sums of money on things that clearly don't make a difference in the actual sound.
> > Trained listeners are actually trained. They are not home schooled by themselves based on what they read in audio magazines or watched on Youtube.> >
"What would constitute a listener being "actually trained?"
Someone going through an actual training program at one of many research facilities/organizations that use professional trained listeners for their research.
"Are there schools out there which provide such a training curriculum? A lot of us hack audiophiles could use a better education......."
I don't know if training is available at schools. The training programs I am aware of are all in house at various research facilities/organizations
Edits: 03/09/23
He ordered a beer.
The bartender was curious as he got the beer for the guy, but as he put the
beer down on the bar, before the gut could reach it, the little man lepta off
his shoulder and picked up the beer and dumped it in the guys lap.
The guy sighs and asks for a shot of whisky.
As soon as the glass hits the bar, the little man threw the drink in the guts
face and smashed the shot glass against the Wall.
"I have to know.... where did you get that guy?"
"Well... I'll tell you... I was walking on the beach, saw a brass lamp, rubbed
it, and a genie came out. He said I could have one wish. I asked for a twelve
inch prick and this is what I got..."
Does this joke remind anyone here of anyone?
"Well... I'll tell you... I was walking on the beach, saw a brass lamp, rubbed it, and a genie came out. He said I could have one wish. I asked for a twelve inch prick and this is what I got..."
Should have just left the "wish" on the beach........ And then should have kicked himself for not being clear to the genie............
Does this joke remind anyone here of anyone?
No..............
Bartender pours him a drink and asks what's in the box?
Guy says you wouldn't believe me if I told you. Bartender says, c'mon,
what 's in it?
The guy sighs, opens the box and pulls out a tiny piano, a tiny bench, and a 12" tall little man who proceeds to play the Chopin Sonata #2.
The bartender, astounded, asks where it all came from.
Guy says he was walking along the beach one day and came across a brass lamp. When he picked it up and handled it, out pops a Genie who offers him one wish, anything he wants.
Bartender says, can I make a wish with that Genie? Guy says sure, the lamps out in my car. But I've got to warn you, that old genie is really hard of hearing.
Bartender says, OK, now I know I'm being had, a deaf genie?
Guy sighs again, looks the bartender in the eye and says, YOU REALLY THINK I WISHED FOR A 12" PIANIST?
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Your joke really hits home for me, because I did a short stint as an announcer on one of our local radio stations here in the SF Bay Area (KDFC - which still exists under ownership of the University of Southern California, much to the chagrin of local Stanford and Cal alumni!). Before my first program, I was being shown "the ropes" by one of the station's administrators, and one rule he gave me was, "When you say the word, 'pianist', make SURE you put the accent on the second syllable, never the first!". He then went on to explain that there is this contingent of little old ladies who don't have anything better to do with their time than listen to radio stations and report FCC violations. Up until that time, the announcers at KDFC used to pronounce "pianist" with the accent on the first syllable (which in fact is the proper pronunciation). But when the station's license came up for renewal, one of the complaints the FCC had received was from an LOL local listener who accused one of the station's announcers of saying 'penis' on the air! The station still got their license renewed, but they wanted to avoid trouble in the future! ;-)
I can think of ONE person who has questionable character, experience, knowledge, and opinions. He is the ONE clown on AA that is also completely irritating on most of his posts, sells highly questionable products with no reviews to back up his claims, and an acerbic personality that a mother would NOT love or even like having spawned the son of Satan. I would suggest anyone to seek guidance of ANY kind from others here on AA.
Does this answer your question?
I find it hilarious he has the "M" designation.
He brings clicks and financial support to the forum though. The AA motivation is quite clear, to me.
Dave.
Nt
Bingo
Yes, it reminds me of you.
How does listening to Radio Shack speakers in a beauty salon qualify you as someone with listening training?
yes, of course-
but what is the purpose of your HiFi?
for me - it is to hear music
music I can not play/reproduce
Music that I love
Music that Moves me
and should I not be moved in plying that album/track-
then I will try another
for Wednesdays are not always the right day for me to listen to
King Crimson
or Bartok
or was it Dvorak
or Fairport Convention
-
I honestly can no longer remember
except that I dropped my roach and spilled my beer....
Happy Listening
" and should I not be moved in plying that album/track-
then I will try another."
So, you were not only plying yourself you were plying your albums.
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