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In Reply to: RE: you sound angry posted by Todd Krieger on July 21, 2022 at 22:19:07
Pretty sure those are examples of non-scientific conspiracy theories. Another conspiracy theory I just ran across recently was the man who fatally shot JFK was a secret service guy In the car behind the JFK car who was holding an AR15 rifle that accidentally discharged during all the shooting when the car he was in suddenly braked. The AR15 was known to have an issue of firing inadvertently due to design flaw. Of course the fact is in the video JFKs slams violently BACK, and his brain matter blown all over the rear deck of the convertible he was riding in, which appears to refute any theory that includes shots fired from behind JFK, except possible the first one that hit him and those riding in the front seat.At the same time it would obviously be a logical error to make the argument that just because there are such things as conspiracy theories then anything you wish to discredit is non scientific or a conspiracy theory. As QAnalog Scott often does. In his works it's always the other guy who's not scientific. Lol
Edits: 07/22/22Follow Ups:
"The AR15 was known to have an issue of firing inadvertently due to design flaw."
The Google search (link) suggests that this above statement is patently false..... Sorry......
Also note that saying an "AR15 has a design flaw" is like saying an "airplane has a design flaw"..... Both could have radically different designs (a Cessna and a Boeing 757, for example), yet still fall under such designations.
Now a specific airplane..... The Boeing 737 Max, for example, does have serious design flaws..... And I would personally avoid flying in that aircraft, if such occasion were to come forth. (There is probably a specific brand and model of AR15 that does have a problem with accidental discharges. But for one model of AR15 that has such flaw, there are over hundreds of brands and models that don't.)
"At the same time it would obviously be a logical error to make the argument that just because there are such things as conspiracy theories then anything you wish to discredit is non scientific or a conspiracy theory."
The term "conspiracy theory" has been bandied about too often in recent time, often treating the one stating it was someone who should be banned from discussion forums. (I've personally been banned from a discussion board expressly for "posting conspiracy theories"... ) It's as if stating a "conspiracy theory" is even worse than stating a lie.
Actually, if you look deeper you'll find the reason the military didn't buy the AR15 until the beginning of Vietnam era several years later was because the "fatal design flaw" - so to speak - was a firing pin that was too heavy, causing the AR15 to sometimes suddenly fire without warning. But the SS Secret Service used them AR15s back then because of their great firepower, using 7.62 NATO rounds. AND selectable automatic or semiautomatic fire. So, in fact the conspiracy theory is plausible from that angle of a misfiring AR15 right behind the Kennedy limo at a moment when the SS car lurched or braked suddenly. OR it could have been intentional, an even better conspiracy theory. You know, what with the missing texts and everything. The SS was part of a bigger conspiracy. Recall the second investigation found there was probably a conspiracy involved but ran out of funding before going further.
"Actually, if you look deeper you'll find the reason the military didn't buy the AR15 until the beginning of Vietnam era several years later was because the 'fatal design flaw' - so to speak - was a firing pin that was too heavy, causing the AR15 to sometimes suddenly fire without warning."
Firing pin too heavy? I Googled the subject matter and....... (Three results.... No mention of AR15..... )
I hope you're not making this up.
Include these statements (from official report)
"Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."
Recall the conspiracy theory can be either accidental or on purpose shooting. The accidental shooting could have involved his finger on the trigger OR not on the trigger. I should add that the violent backward motion of jfk's head at moment of impact seems to indicate a shooter in front of jfk, not behind him. The huge hole in the BACK of jfk's head the same.
As often pointed out the flat trajectory of that bullet that struck his head doesn't match the trajectory of the first bullet, the one that hit his throat and went on to wound the two guys in the front seat. The one presumably from book depository. So, then you've got yourself a REAL CONSPIRACY on your hands, right? Which is what the second assassination commission concluded, that the murder was a conspiracy, not a single shooter (Oswald or whoever).
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