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RE: Voecks says bi-wiring a speaker akes an audible difference?

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Todd Krieger

In Reply to: RE: Voecks says bi-wiring a speaker akes an audible difference? posted by Analog Scott on July 20, 2022 at 22:57:33

"Richard Vandersteen is a great speaker designer. but that doesn't mean he's right about bi-wiring."

Are you questioning the science? .... [-;

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RE: Voecks says bi-wiring a speaker akes an audible difference? - Analog Scott 21:24:51 07/21/22 (13)
nope. The science is clear. Biwiring doesnt make an aduible differnece if you are already using competent speaker cables. I am pointing out that Richard Vandersteen can be a great speaker designer and still be wrong in his opinion about biwiring.
- RE: Voecks says bi-wiring a speaker akes an audible difference? - Todd Krieger 02:08:18 07/22/22 (12)
  "The science is clear. Biwiring doesnt make an aduible differnece if you are already using competent speaker cables."
  
  So what are the criteria that make speaker cables "competent?" ....
  
  "I am pointing out that Richard Vandersteen can be a great speaker designer and still be wrong in his opinion about biwiring."
  
  But Mr. Vandersteen represents science..... So quit being so anti-science...... It's embarrassing...... ;-]
  - Do you have a link to the science showing that bi-wiring is unequivocally better? nt - Rick W 13:38:30 07/25/22 (1)
    nt
    - Do you mean even in crap systems? Nothing works unequivocally. - geoffkait 04:32:24 07/30/22 (0)
      Maybe MIT or NASA will step up and figure this out.
  - A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome - Analog Scott 08:26:31 07/22/22 (4)
    "So what are the criteria that make speaker cables "competent?" ...."
    
    capacitance, inductance and resistance
    
    "But Mr. Vandersteen represents science....."
    
    No, Richard Vandersteen does not represent science. 1. He isn't even a scientist. 2. No individual scientist represents science. There are no authorities in science. The only authority in science are the principles of science and the scientific method and objective evidence. When it comes to cables the evidence is the authority. And that evidence has spoken quite loudly and clearly. 3. Even scientists can be wrong. Heck, Einstein, one of the most famous scientists known to man was wrong in his opinion about the nature of qauntum mechanics and he was one of the primary scientists in the discovery of quantum physics.
    
    "So quit being so anti-science...... It's embarrassing...... ;-]"
    
    As embarassing as not knowing what actually is and is not anti-scientific?
    - RE: A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome - Todd Krieger 08:57:05 07/22/22 (3)
      "So what are the criteria that make speaker cables "competent?" ...."
      
      capacitance, inductance and resistance
      
      ALL cables have capacitance, inductance and resistance..... Even the worst snake oil products......
      
      "So quit being so anti-science...... It's embarrassing...... ;-]"
      
      As embarassing as not knowing what actually is and is not anti-scientific?
      
      Exactly.....
      
      The problem is someone claiming that he knows but lacks the realization that he does not.
      - RE: A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome - Analog Scott 17:21:30 07/22/22 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome posted by Todd Krieger on July 22, 2022 at 08:57:05
        
        > > > So what are the criteria that make speaker cables "competent?" ....> > >
        
        > > capacitance, inductance and resistance > >
        
        > ALL cables have capacitance, inductance and resistance..... Even the worst snake oil products......>
        
        Yes. but the ones that have too much start to act as a passive equalizer and skew the audible frequency response. That's when the cables become "incompetently" designed. The ones that don't have too much are competently designed and don't audibly color the sound. Of course this is assuming the design goal is maximum audible transparency. A cable may be designed to color the sound on purpose.But we can call that a combination cable/passive equalizer.
        
        and I did forget to mention basic shielding built into the design. If a cable doesn't have that then it is also "incompetently" designed.
        
        RE: A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome - Todd Krieger 04:21:52 07/23/22 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome posted by Analog Scott on July 22, 2022 at 17:21:30
        
        I guess if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, you baffle them with bullshit......
        
        https://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=general&n=6217 (Open in New Window)
        
        RE: A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome - Analog Scott 05:45:11 07/23/22 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: A much needed lesson in science. You are welcome posted by Todd Krieger on July 23, 2022 at 04:21:52
        
        once again you take the blatant anti-science anti electrical engineering position. There is no bullshit about the facts I stated when it comes to cable "sound." You may as well be saying evolution is bullshit.
        
        But I'm not sure you didn't already say that....
  - It's just his Brer Rabbit and Tar Baby Routine. - geoffkait 06:23:48 07/22/22 (4)
    Nt
    - have you run out of gullible audiophiles to scam? - Analog Scott 23:03:53 07/22/22 (3)
      shouldn't you be bagging aquarium gravel in your car/apartment? Or have sales and suckers who buy your B.S. all dried up leaving you nothing better to do than troll AA?
      - Its not possible to run out of gullible audiophiles. nt - Rick W 13:39:45 07/25/22 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: have you run out of gullible audiophiles to scam? posted by Analog Scott on July 22, 2022 at 23:03:53
        
        nt
        
        There's a very fine line between being skeptical and being superstitious. - geoffkait 14:57:51 07/25/22 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Its not possible to run out of gullible audiophiles. nt posted by Rick W on July 25, 2022 at 13:39:45
        
        :-)
      - The noblest art is that of making others happy. - geoffkait 02:57:10 07/23/22 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: have you run out of gullible audiophiles to scam? posted by Analog Scott on July 22, 2022 at 23:03:53
        
        Have you thought of asking your doctor to increase your medications?
        
        Edits: 07/23/22

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