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In Reply to: RE: Classical WAF posted by Bill the K on March 24, 2021 at 06:38:33
.....you are asking for "less" resolution and dynamic range, which is the forte of classical music. But you want it to sound like mass produced pop which is engineered for car playback?
I think a Wave Radio should be in your future.
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no it's not. The massive dynamics of drums, vocals, and other 'rock&pop' style instruments make it necessary for limiting the dynamic range to integrate into a mix. Distortion from a full tilt Marshall amp has about 5db dynamics. That's a fact.
If he wants what they call leveling, his post is open to constructive suggestions. I hate it when a classical only lover whines about these things like 'car playback'. I play and have taught all types of music and instruments.
Ptolomy Almagest
Bill the K should use a parametric EQ to flatten the response
most listeners might object to squished dynamics, but 'horses for courses'
the link goes to a cheapie that's programmable for either home or AUTO use
it appears to be rather sophisticated for what it is, no Shitt!
Bill sure manages to come up with rather esoteric audio 'problems' eh?
regards,
it's at least something to consider for the price with lots of options too. Classical can be a tough nut if you're not in a quiet environment and you adjust the beginning of a piece that's very soft ppp as one of us here said, and then......
If you need studio quality there are better for not much more.
Ptolomy Almagest
"The massive dynamics of drums, vocals, and other 'rock&pop' style instruments make it necessary for limiting the dynamic range to integrate into a mix."
Why would you have to limit the dynamic RANGE? Why not just set the dynamic LEVEL lower to begin with? Then you could still capture the full dynamic RANGE of the performance which the musicians themselves actually create, rather than having to adjust it in the control room.
Hate all you like. I'm not a "classical only lover" and I'm certainly not whining.
Mainstream Pop music is highly compressed and it doesn't have to be. I have several examples of rock and pop recordings that part with the norm and sound excellent. What I'm pointing to is what you hear (and what passes for music) on "pop" radio today. It's crap and the recording quality suits it. If that's what he's looking for it's a good way to ruin dynamic music.
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
and it certainly sounded like you were whining.
give us some indication of your DIRECT experience with studio techniques and we can talk, but please don't copy and paste something off the web.
I used the extreme example of the art of recording a band like VHalen with his Marshall amps, you know, the ones that Hendrix made famous. Other bands can be entirely different. I have a 'Blue Murder' disk that slips to near zero here and there and the vinyl still captures it well. Pink Floyd's The Wall is extremely dynamic for POP. It's a multi gold album despite Roger's anti semitism. And I really like 'It's a Beautiful Day', they have everything in the mix and it's done so fantastically.
If you are referring to Britney Spears POP, that is mostly electronic and I understand that.
POP is 'popular' stuff and hopefully not the wasteful dustbin dreck. Van Halen was popular, so was Sinatra & Bernstein
Ptolomy Almagest
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