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I listed an ad for a DAC on the Asylum trader and today I have in interested party that wants to buy the DAC. The message from Audio Asylum says
"Unregistered user or user not logged into the Asylum?"
This person gave me a username to confirm who they are on Audiogon, Audiokarma, etc. I did find an old username on Agon and I am waiting for a message back. I find no record of this persons username in Audio Asylum.
I have bought and sold a few items on here before, but always familiar users. The address he or she wants me to send it to, comes back to a trucking company in GA?
Any advice how to confirm they are legit at this point?
I didn't want to post their user name or should I to see if someone here knows them?
I've had my GFP 750 up for sale on another site for I guess a month or two now. Didn't get much bites until recently. Someone the other day emailed me regarding the unit and after going back and forth with questions and answers the buyer made me an offer and I accepted (even though it was on the low end of my listing price).
Immediately follow that I started getting all kinds of offers, left and right (I guess it's income tax time); one or two actually offering to pay the full asking price.
I reluctantly told them all an offer was made but if it fell through rada, rada, rada...
Well the guy (who btw had zero feedback or transactions) now decides he wants me to ship the unit to his 'friend's house' so he can modify it. I said absolutely not. He said why not? I told him 'you changed the terms of our original agreement and as far as I'm concerned you voided it'. I told him I wouldn't do it due to the fact this guy is not an authorized service rep and he could spill coffee in it and then tell you it arrived that way. I said since no money was exchanged I would decline under those circumstances.
BUT being a man of my word I went on to tell him: I will still ship it to you, you plug it in and make sure it works, THEN you can send it to you buddy. The unit is used therefore 'as-is' but guaranteed 'NOT' to arrive DOA, but you won't get that if sent to your buddy.. The extra $40 to ship to him is insurance for both me and you. (*Yeah, yeah, yeah I could've easily shipped it to his buddy under those terms but had the unit got screwed up by his buddy I could picture a LOT of headaches down the road with paypal and who needs that kind of sh*t?)
Well he wasn't hearing none of that and started getting belligerent. Long story short I ended up blocking him, the first time ever since I started way back in the early 90s.
The others who were lined up all ended up backing out citing they found another unit elsewhere.
Live and learn..
Never sold on AA, but have done so with Agon and ebay. No issues what so ever on ebay, but had one with Agon.
Document the item well to protect yourself in case of any claims or misrepresentation.
Like what others have said, if you feel uncomfortable then simply walk away. There are sites like hifishark/etc. that shows which site a buyer interested item is for sale currently, so one who is not necessarily familiar with AA can be directed to the site with a simple search.
Speak to the guy by phone and see how you feel. Ensure you have his postal and email addresses, etc first. If you're happy he's not a fraudster, send him an invoice and suggest he sends a deposit up front, then send the item (with tracking) and collect the balance on delivery.
In any non face-to-face transactions there's an element of risk and this should be shared. Relying on Paypal is not good particularly for the seller as others have illustrated (and me too) as the buyer is automatically given the benefit of the doubt with Paypal removing the entire value of the sale from your account. Unless you, as seller, can either come to an agreement with the buyer, or convince Paypal the buyer is a scammer, not only do you lose your money, the buyer can retain the goods!
Don't even take a deposit through Paypal as the money isn't yours if subsequently challenged by the buyer. Ask for a transfer into your bank account.
I recently sold a pair of speakers for £10K by deposit - dispatch - balance and all was good for both of us, but we had conversed a few times and were both satisfied that we were honest traders.
A couple of emails and a little research might reveal a great buyer.
I'm not a retail store, I am a hobbyist, with lots of great feedback here, on Agon, and USAM.. So I chose who I want to trade with and who I don't. There is a reason that you have an uncomfortable feeling.
I have never seen a more paranoid group of sellers than on here. I have done over 135 transactions on Audiogon, many with first time buyers with zero feedback. I have never, ever had a problem and both the customer and myself have always been satisfied. I only ship to the persons verified address, no exceptions.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the
most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
you are probably right, I was a bit paranoid about it all. It seemed a bit odd at first but the guy verified himself, was understanding and in our email exchanges seems pretty cool.
As they say better safe than sorry. I just wasn't sure as, I was not aware a non member could reply to an ad. All seems well now though.
If I feel uncomfortable with a possible transaction, a quick phone
call usually allays any concerns. If not, I simply decline to sell.
If you don't become the ocean, you'll be seasick everyday ...
- Leonard Cohen
as opposed to eBay or Audiogon, which has much higher traffic, is the chance to deal with someone of known quality.
Clearly, a frequent and respected poster on AA is a far safer bet than some rando one does not know and may pull some PayPal stunt or claim the good were damaged and poorly packed or return (with proof of receipt) the goods with something that is NOT what you sent and ultimately were forced by PayPal to accept back.
If you don't believe the above, try selling tubes on eBay for a time.
You will learn ALL of the tricks.
PayPal is a scourge. I got ripped off once on eBay. That was a few years ago, and the last time I accepted PayPal. I used to check the Asylum classifieds, but so few sellers will ship to Canada that it is a waste of time to shop there.
Hey, Donnie. That sinking feeling in your gut is called karma. You are a horrible individual, and you will pay for that for the rest of your miserable life. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
As a seller you should get payment before you send the item. What do you care who they are? As a buyer it matters because you are sending out the $$$. Sellers are at little risk in my experience. Just make sure the payment is good before shipping. No funny business with payment. No I'll send you a bigger check from Nigeria, you deposit my check and send me the item and the difference. That one is a scam. I'm sure there are others.
Not necessarily true. If the buyer pays with a credit card or Paypal (and the latter is tied to the purchase of the item versus just sending you money), then it is pretty easy for the buyer to claim the unit was damaged, defective, misrepresented or the like. The payment service can then pull the payment back from you and leave you without the money. Further, you'll often not get your item back, or get back a different unit or yours with missing parts, etc.
In short, if one has a dishonest buyer, there are endless tricks they can play that will make your experience terrible. Over the years I've been pretty lucky with the modest amount of online selling and buying I've done for used gear, but there are some jerks and crooks out there.
Bingo! That is what worried me is payment by Paypal and then trying to pull one over after delivery. Like I said I always knew the person by posts on this forum when doing a transaction, it surprised me a non member could contact me. I did find him by his Agon username and messaged him through there where he confirmed he is the same person that contacted me through AA. Seemed a bit odd at first but he may be legit.
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