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In Reply to: RE: The vinyl folks will be getting all moist about this posted by Mike K on September 11, 2020 at 18:09:31
Modern music isn't worth buying.People stream for background music.
The nostalgia gang and hipsters buy vinyl.
CD's deserve better than this but there it is. No new music worth buying means lower CD sales.
If you're a classical fan there are incredible deals at Amazon - search on 'classical cd box set'.
'A lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on'. -Mark Twain
Edits: 09/12/20Follow Ups:
"Modern music isn't worth buying."
Yawn.
I stream for all Music... Most All Music is Available.
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
I'm in the middle of you two -- I am perfectly happy with the sound quality of streamed music for critical listening, but if I really, really fall in love with an album, I do like adding it to my local collection. One still has to deal with the issue of copyright and the album here and there that disappears from the streaming library overnight.
Y'all, I still do not understand much about the allure of vinyl. The high end not being cut off as if with a knife might have something to do with it, but usually there are imperfections.
I am not sure how many people can actually hear it but nothing really impedes the high end like on a CD.
Now if your cart and stylus are flat to within +/-2dB to 20KHz, there is of course some response above that. In a CD everything above 10KHz, by necessity is only a sine wave because of the filters. If you use the most advanced, and I mean like NASA, filters the best you can do is 22.05KHz. Remember CD4 records and carts that went up to 35KHZ or so ? The 2X7, the Shibata.
So general logic will tell many people that your ears can't tell the difference above 10KHZ because you can't hear the harmonics.
Well maybe it is time to challenge that. Find a guy with really good ears and get a function generator. See if he can tell the difference between a 15KHz sine wave and a square wave. Despite sidestepping my science, I believe some people can. You know even with the limitations of human hearing, which is not cut off razor sharp and I think some people can hear it.
So to get that some people might be willing to put up with other imperfection. Forget TT rumble, you know that vinyl sound you get sometimes.
You know, some people can see a wider range of light than most. Actually UV is what I read about. One friend of mine, even though in later life he needs glasses, can see in the dark. Seriously, we were walking around in the stix and he had no problem, I was totally blind.
So you cannot take as gospel that you hear from Hz to Hz or that you can see from X angstroms to X angstroms. Different people are different.
The next best reproduction you can get is probably reel to reel at at least 15 IPS. Those usually have about a 100KHz bias for recording which means the filter can let out more than on a CD.
So I tried to bring science into this hope I didn't bore you.
But let's ask this. Perhaps you had a hearing test. Did they test above 20KHz ? No way. Maybe what we need is hearing test for people with good hearing, find out just how good. Seriously, any hearing test ever even throw you 22KHz ? I kinda doubt it. Those tests are for hearing deficiencies, not hearing efficiencies.
Now seriously, some here have a function generator. Seriously set that thing to 10KHZ and find out if you can hear the difference between sine and square. You will have to apply gain correction to bring the RMS level equal. That might be easier said than done but I might come up with something.
"So I tried to bring science into this hope I didn't bore you."No, but you confused me (which isn't that hard to do).
Despite your opening sentence, it almost sounds as if you are making the case for vynyl being superior to compact disc?
Edits: 09/13/20
JURB inferred that vinyl sounds better than reel to reel:
"The next best reproduction you can get is probably reel to reel at at least 15 IPS."
Not sure what reel to reel JURB is referencing but the reel to reel rigs I've heard lately are so far ahead of vinyl it isn't even close. Unfortunately the tapes are 2 or 300 bucks.
There are a lot of variables in play when it comes to comparing reel-to-reel and vinyl recordings, so it is impossible to say one always wins over another.
First, in the pre-digital age, the vast majority of recordings were made on studio open reel machines. These usually, but not always, ran at 15 ips and may or may not have been multi-track. If 4 or 8 track, then the tape had to be mixed down to 2 channel stereo before it could be turned into a commercial release. Every time a tape got transferred, there was a generational loss of high frequencies and increased noise. Dolby helped a bit with the hiss issue, but generational issues were still present.
Even in the original studio recordings, sound quality varied all over the place depending on the studio's equipment, the engineer and the goals of the artist and producer. But, the same thing is true today even with digital -- one can find plenty of modern recordings that are poor.
Conversion to vinyl added a whole 'nother layer of complications. Longer recordings had to have reduced volume and/or reduced bass to fit on a 12" LP. This hurt the signal-to-noise ratio and made any clicks and pops on the recording stand out more, as well as often hurt the bass quality. The number of pressings made from each master and the purity of the vinyl used was also an issue. Some labels were notorious for poor quality control in this area.
These days, even with LPs, most of the studio recordings are done in digital. This gets rid of the generation loss issue during mix-down and also helps with the S/N issue. But, if transferred to vinyl, one still has the classic limitations present when mastering the recording for LP pressing.
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I am still terminally confused.
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