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In Reply to: RE: Hmmm posted by Timbo in Oz on July 11, 2017 at 02:05:55
I'm not sure if I am suppose to reply or to what?
Art is Art and it's subjective. Plenty of art makes violence pretty.
Bond is escapist, fictional, entertainment. Moore films especially so.
As for importance? No Bond film ranks in my top 200 movies - but it is a film series that has been with us for 50 years. And for Bond fans this is generally a fun topic.
I assume most people can watch a Bond movie without being moved to misogyny or violence. People of intellect can determine the difference between fantasy and reality.
When I flip through the over the air TV channels, it is always the case I will see at least one person being murdered, at least one other being shot at, and at least two being physically beaten, or giving a beating. (amazing how the Heros get beat to Hell, yet never have any injuries??) I find the realistic parts of showing women being killed, dead, raped, tied up and the aftermath of beatings to be particularly offensive. And that they just media feeding the rapists, beaters fantasies.
Unless that channel is on commercials. Then I am guaranteed to see at least a few ads for medicines which may (hell IMO pretty likely too) also kill you. And lawyer ads for suing the medicines that can kill you. Or.. Maybe some sad dog photos and begging for money to save it.
Then the damn 'weather' I think local stations have gone mad over weather. They have to repeat endlessly the same drivel, at least twice, maybe three times each news broadcast, and think it is fine it interrupt good shows with even more drivel several times, because it is raining.. SOMEPLACE.
I was actually shocked sitting in a cab in Vegas listening to 3 consecutive ads about "ask your doctor is XYZ is right for you." It used to be that your doctor would prescribe you a drug that fit your ailment - now they drug companies sell direct and put it into your head you are sick.
Europe and the US always differed with television - In the US you could watch 80 people being machined gunned to death, decapitated, castrated and general gore - but man if you show a female nipple the network would get irate phone calls. In Europe it is somewhat the reverse.
But like most things - you have the option to change the channel. I think James Bond is largely cartoon violence. The violence in a Schindler's List or a Platoon is not.
I remember when the 1978 Romero film Dawn of the Dead was called the goriest film of all time - most people then found it sickening - now worse can be seen weekly in the Walking Dead.
But there is plenty of abject violence all around the world without a TV in sight and before TV or Movies or electricity was invented. Escapist entertainment does allow people to delve into the macabre without committing the macabre.
I have a distanced relationship with pop-culture, and I'm an ex infantry WO.
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
about serious topics (how religion and politics ruins the world) is not allowed here. So we are stuck with pop culture and hobbies that promote it.
You can learn a lot from pop culture - Dickens and Shakespeare and Mozart were pop culture in their day. A lot of social satire exists in Pop Culture as well as other forms of commentary on the plight of man.
But once any topic goes down the politics or religious path it gets deleted. Which is fair enough this is an audio board. Although it strikes me that words are still just words and so personally I'd let it go. Lots of people disagree with my various stances and I get pounded more than most on most forums - but a hobby dedicated to music - much of which is devoted to social commentary (anti-war, religion, politics etc) often gets shut down.
I could spend a week on John Lennon's "Imagine."
James Bond movies I maintain are simply a form of escapism - But I do not believe they make people violent - people who are violent don't need an excuse. I'd like to say something about holy books at this point but I can't so I shan't. I would prefer to discuss the following "Christopher Hitchens 10 minutes" (typed into google 10:36) over James Bond. But there you are. PS: For Your Eyes Only
These kinds of movies are bubble gum or Romance novels - even literature professors will read Romance Novels - not because they're great literature but because they are diversion.
I think you could have a good discussion about what effect Bond has on the psyche of those watching - does it sexualize killing. Or is it about promoting imperialist propaganda that the west is the good guy and everyone else is evil. Be like Bond. Or is it pro military - James Bond the elite special forces who can take out the bad guy, sleep with the bad guy's woman, kill the bad guy, stop the evil plan, keep the bad guy's woman. Oh James - and Oh British awesomeness.
After awhile - amp X is better than amp Y is mind numbing.
Concerning the idea that watching violence MAY promote same (admittedly not stated directly, but IMO implied), I don't think there is a direct relationship to those of, shall we say, "reasonable" intellect. What worries me more now, and I don't know if it's my age, 68, or my perception of values, culture, etc., or both together. I am concerned at the obvious degree of fun with which I see kids & adults playing the VERY realistic "war" video games. It is incredible how lifelike these games portray people & situations of violence & death. Personally, I can't be in the same room when they are played. Now, IMHO, participants seem unaffected by the death of their own character or team mates, and almost giddy at the death of opponents. I fear that this, to some degree, has made some of us less sensitive to real violence & I'm not smart enough to know whether this may have an effect, and if so, what it even may be, on those who participate in such pastimes. All I know, from personal experience, is the real horror & shock of participating in real life war. It is incomprehensibly ugly & in no way mirrors a video game. You can't push a button & get more ammo. You can't get enough points to bring you or your friend back to life, etc. So let me type this to bring it back to an audio discussion, Tubed and/or solid state amplifiers. Sorry if I hi-jacked the discussion or the direction it was headed. And I completely understand if it's deleted or if any of you disagree & aren't happy with me for posting it. Sometimes I feel like this is therapeutic & perhaps this is improper in this venue. But there, I did it anyway. Now do as I shall, which is to go & listen to some pleasant music.* please pardon the length of this post & my ignorance of knowing how to start a new paragraph. I hate that.
Everyone thinks I'm strange except my friends deep inside the earth
I happen to agree with you. It's one of those difficult topics where I think we used to hace discussions with kids and parents and teachers wete on the same side. In the States you hace the first ammendment which ultimately protects speech and art even if it's speech and art we don't like.
Yet strangely, to most Europeans, Americans seem fine watching endless bloodbaths but a scene of lovemaking gets a harsher mpaa rating. War and violence is fine but sex...no way.
I'd far rather people playing video games than outside with real ones.
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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