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In Reply to: RE: Vinyl lovers and collectors - rejoice!! posted by Mike K on May 28, 2017 at 08:20:40
When I was young - so long ago - we rebelled against our parents by playing the Beatles and Stones. The music was considered radical, offensive, salacious and just plain amusical. As much as rock was the music of a disenfranchised generation things always continue to move forward.
Flash forward to today. Many I speak with find rap to be radical, offensive, salacious and just plain...amusical. Sound familiar? Lots of my generation ( I'm approaching 60) have become their parents, at least musically speaking. No doubt the rap and hip-hop generation will be outraged by whatever follows. They can become their parents as well.
you just gotta dig...ya dig?
In order to "get" a lot of the acts in the 1960's you had to be "hip", no squares allowed, which to the older generation seemed to be a 'beyond-asinine' concept.
Fast forward to the 90's (the peak of rap as I see it) and substitute 'hip' with 'street cred'; same difference IMO. Also in the 90s Dr Dre dropped which many consider the 'Sgt Pepper' of all rap albums "The Chronic" which also introduced a then unknown Snoop Dogg. And just like many acts of the 60s that spawned sub-genres ie 'psychedelic music', the Chronic in this case brought the term 'gansta rap' into the limelight and into the 'American' living room (and far worse -behind the closed doors of suburban kids rooms).
Granted I'm now 57 yrs old (32 when it was released) and I still cringe at some rap lyrics on today's music but production wise the Chronic was -and still is considered a classic. One of my favorites: "little ghetto boy" .
Rap always has been about art imitating life, it wasn't until it started imitating itself did it start to lose it's street cred. Take for instance Biggie Smalls who bragged about selling 'rocks' rocks on the street, his mother (a Phd) debunked a lot of that nonsense. Ditto for Tupac who started out as among other things doing ballet . Suge Knight, the most notorious and intimidating of them all was a college grad.
Schoolly D's eponymous 1985 LP is arguably the first gangsta rap album since he rapped about gangs and urban violence. Ice - T (yes, the guy who is now on "Law and Order SVU") was inspired by Schoolly D and switched to writing about Los Angeles gang life for a series of LPs in the late '80s. Dre was in NWA before he went solo, and of course NWA's Straight Outta Compton gangsta rap album was an enormous hit.
I would argue that Public Enemy's 1988 It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back most deserves the comparison to Sgt. Pepper's. The album is a staggering artistic triumph; it sounded completely unlike anything that had come before. ITANOMTHUB had much faster beats than any rap record that preceded it, and the music was an incredibly dense (up to 80 tracks layered together) and chaotic mix of samples, sound effects, and noise that was closer to musique concrete than traditional rap music. On top of the blistering music was Chuck D's highly political black nationalist, consciousness - raising lyrics. There's a reason the PE album has repeatedly been named the greatest rap album of all time in music polls, and why its the only rap album in the top 100 of Rolling Stone's 500 Best Albums list.
I never said Dre invented gangsta rap; I merely mentioned he brought the genre into the limelight/mainstream.
Do your children play Rap like you played Beatles? I dont think they do. Do they like modern black music?
I will do a self root canal before listening to most rap. I will do a self vasectomy before listening to most country music. Do like Haggard and Cline though. My kids love both as well as all that my wife and I grew up with. My son thinks he discovered Rolling Stones. He's 26.
Yesterday my son called and said "Dad, your two heros are gone." He was referring to Dale Sr and Greg. I have had Bud long necks at Duane's and Barry's graves.
I think all country musicians are from the same area of the same state, 'cause they all have the same accent.
A person would think they'da been trained outta that in music school.
My problem with rap isn't that it's vulgar or offensive..... My problem with rap is that everything sounds the same....
The lyrics might be original, the lyrics might be clever..... But the musical element is a copy from one song to the next..... It's the most boring music that I've ever experienced, on purely musical terms.
If one can relate to the lyrics, that's fine. But I find listening to rap more like listening to poetry than listening to music.
Ha! See what I did there? It rhymes. ;)
I don't have "a problem" with rap crap. It's just bad, mad, sad sound all around. That's what I've found.
And, yes, it all sounds the same. It's lame. Don't matter the name. Damn shame.
And, it's the main driving force, of course, for one-note subwoofers which are a neighborhood blight, ain't I right? And not just at night, even during the day, when the Sun be bright.
Ok, that's all I got. Not. I could write more, but I gots to go see my (fill in this space).
He's a poet
and he doesn't even know it...
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams
The most hilarious rap I've ever heard (aside from Sir Mixalot "Baby Got Back") was Dr. Seuss children's poems done to a rap format..... It was hilarious because the lyrics fit the "rap" format like a glove........
All he needs is a scratch DJ and a Pro Tools rig..... It shouldn't be difficult to find music clips to "loop"..... The hard part is knowing the right producer to get airplay......
The only rapper that I can think of who uses mostly real musicians/instruments is Snoop Dogg..... (If there is "audiophile rap", it's Snoop Dogg.) But he's also the master of vulgar..... Not something you would want play if you have little ones running around.
Hahahaha! Thanks, guys.
Actually, when I still lived in Green Bay (home of the Superbowl champion Green Bay Packers), I tried my hand for one, count 'em, night at DJ-ing at a local nightclub. I played Marvin Gaye, Barry White, Otis Redding, and some other stuff. Not my good buddy Luther Allison - he wasn't appropriate for the venue. ;)
I was told to quit playin' that "N..." music. That's ok. Live and learn. I still say Otis Redding, who's at the bottom of the lake in Madison, WI, is one of the greats of pop/R&B music. And Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get It On" is right up there, too. (Along with Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love", but that's another story.)
So I left Green Bay, and moved to Madison, where I discovered The Parthenon Gyros Restaurant.
Just when y'all thought I was the whitest cracker in the box, the other soft shoe drops.
"My problem with rap is that everything sounds the same...."
Yeah : "BOOM mufuka BOOM mufuka BOOM mufuka BOOM mufuka"
Some say people like Frank Zappa and a few others were the forerunners of rap but I do not agree.
I think John Lennon did it first, No 9, No 9---------. What a rap.
I think the first "rap" song was Tom Waits' "Step Right Up"..... The vulgar lyrics and vocal style originated from a group called "The Last Poets"........
Rap music for white people. Walton and Sitwell did it first - in 1923! ;-)
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I sampled the piece..... Heard influences of Gilbert and Sullivan.....
So maybe Gilbert and Sullivan?
Operatic "recitative" might actually be the "original rap".........
Except that recitative is sung on pitch (in a rhythm which allows for fairly wide latitude), whereas the rhythmic recitations of Fašade are spoken in strict rhythm. Maybe we could say that recitative is an "influence" on Rap? ;-)
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
I've reached the culmination of all music myself, I have become born again in the singularity.
It is kind of like finishing reading the internet.
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