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In Reply to: RE: Decision made posted by AbeCollins on April 28, 2017 at 11:41:22
Actually yes they would do that on a $150 item, it was one of two subwoofers I purchased.As for their shipping speed, I've never waited more than 3 days for an item. And it sure is nice to know if I do need advice they have knowledgable PEOPLE on staff I can talk with about speaker building, crossover network building, cables, equipment purchases, etc, you get the picture, real customer service.
Here's a suggestion, give the good people over at PE a phone call, spend a little time talking with one of their speaker designers, sales staff, etc about our hobby, then do the same with Amazon Prime and let us know here how it went.
This isn't a contest, I recommend Parts Express, the best place to purchase the Yamaha receiver in question and the decision was made to go ahead and purchase it there, you recommended another site a day or two later with the same price, it's all good.
Martin
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Well, I don't think there's any DIY advice I would seek in buying a commercially manufactured Yamaha receiver. It's not a DIY project that would require advise for most folks. Besides, any questions and advise can be found in Amazon Q&A for the product and elsewhere on the internet.And once I've made my mind up on buying something the last thing I want is to waste my precious time chatting it up with some friendly human over the phone. One of the benefits of clicking a mouse button and buying over the internet I suppose. ;-)
But I get your point. If I needed some DIY advice for a DIY project I will consider Crutchfield. I mean Parts Express!
BTW, I have the PE catalog and have purchased from them in the past. A very pleasant experience.
I was merely mentioning Amazon as an alternative for those who have Amazon Prime.
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Well, if you were an uninformed buyer (as is the case here) you might want to know if the receiver you were looking at would drive the speakers you were considering. You might even need assistance connecting your source components, you know, real customer service.And if you just want to order without speaking to anyone whatever floats your boat, just click away and order. I guess you think being facetious doesn't show a propensity for being argumentative?
The OP's friend already made the decision to purchase from PE before your recommendation so the point is moot.
Martin
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Like I said, I offered up Amazon as an alternative in case the buyer (or others in search of that model rx) has Amazon Prime. And then we sparred over who had a better return policy and customer service. I concede victory by a slim margin to PE since this has turned into some sort of pissing contest.It's really no big deal to me but I'm happy that the OP's friend is getting a decent low budget receiver on your gracious recommendation.
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It's really no contest, PE offers a great return policy plus REAL customer service, Amazon has a return policy with NO customer service, pretty cut and dry. As such the ONLY reason to purchase from Amazon is price, and as they aren't offering a better price? What's the selling point?Not knocking Amazon, they are what they are, can't get tires from PE so their customer service would be useless in that regard. But for the OP or anyone purchasing something PE does sell they're hard to beat.
And as for tires etc, I've found most times Amazon is not the cheapest.
Case in point, looking to purchase The Big Larry flash light I found it locally for $25, Amazon had it for the same price, I found it elsewhere new for $18, purchased 5, two for me, three for my sons. And with Ebay's great return policy along with PayPal protection, actually better customer service too. I've purchased a few things through Amazon but there prices are usually just too high.
Martin
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You have your favorite stores, I have mine.
"Amazon has a return policy with NO customer service, pretty cut and dry"
Simply untrue and misinformed. I have spoken with and emailed with real humans at Amazon and they have always given me excellent customer service. What's even better is not having to talk to anyone and still receiving stellar customer service on product returns.
Your PE does not offer:
- Free 2nd-day Prime shipping on many items including those under $100, shipped via UPS or FedEx WITH an emailed tracking number .
PE's idea of free shipping is ECONOMBY 3 -10 days, and only on purchases of $100 or more. Says so right on their website. And no tracking.
- Amazon has a no hassle return policy. Yes, your favorite PE shop let you NOT return a house brand speaker kit but I seriously doubt they would do that for you on a brand name item like a $150 Yamaha receiver. So Amazon is at least equal to your PE on returns..... probably better.
On items that DO require a return, they setup up the shipper and pickup. All you do is put the box out on the porch and it's taken care of.
How does PE handle an actual return?
As for Amazon vs other retailers you will often find prices lower elsewhere but you have to factor in the shipping and return policy. If I have to hop in my car and waste gas and time to save a buck or two at a brick and mortar store, I'll go with Amazon to save me the hassle.
Yes PE is an excellent outfit. So is Amazon. In fact Amazon is one of the top companies in the world with a market cap approaching 1/2 trillion US dollars. They must be doing something right, including excellent customer service.
Let's be honest shall we, you've chatted & emailed with someone at Amazon on the other side of the planet, not spoken on the phone with anyone familiar with the product, there's a HUGE difference if needing real help.As for how PE handles actual returns, lets see, in the many yrs I've been buying from them I've had few reasons to need this service, but each and every time they just sent out a replacement, NO RETURN NECESSARY, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO.
As for PE being my favorite? ROFLMAO, not even close. My only reason for recommending them was the OP was obviously looking for something new, with a warranty, inexpensive, and as it was for a person lacking knowledge in our hobby a place with great customer service if needed.
I only purchase new sound equipment when it's for someone else also lacking experience dealing with the excentricities that can come with vintage gear, like my sons.
When I purchased a gift for my brother in law on his bday I didn't hesitate to get him a nice vintage Kenwood integrated amp from the 70's, he's been around the block a few times, he gets it.
For the $149 that little Yammy I recommended cost it wouldn't be hard to find a nice vintage unit WAY more musical, better looking, better built, and maybe have enough left over for some records etc.
Martin
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Yes, I have honestly spoken over the phone to live bodies in Amazon customer service. I know many others have as well. Why do you have a hard time believing that? Here's their customer service number. Give them a call: 1 (888) 280-4331 Open all day all night - 24/7.I'm sure you've done several transactions with Parts Express where they did not require you to return a low cost part or house brand before sending you a replacement. Amazon does the exact same thing within sensible limits.
Will Parts Express send you a replacement and let you NOT return a $150 Yamaha receiver found to be defective? I seriously doubt it. You have yet to answer that question straight up.
Amazon does not require an RMA number or require you to affix a shipping label on returns, and they credit your account immediately.... before you even return the item. Parts Express can't match that - period. Go read their Return Policy.
Like I said before, the only reason I offered up Amazon was simply as an alternative to your beloved Parts Express. I saw no harm in that.
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Gentlemen,please.Points made,let's move on.
Tom:cat
(Gentlemen,please.Points made,let's move on.
Tom:cat)
If you'll take notice the last post by either was two days ago, are you trying to start something back up? LOL
Martin
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