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In Reply to: RE: Raise your hand if you are under 30... posted by jaydacus on April 17, 2017 at 12:51:38
Under 30? So, there's an age limit?
How old were YOU when you could afford a nice stereo system and room acoustics? I was 26 when I COULD, and was 29 when I DID.
Y'all are a misguided "stick in the mud".
"Audio", as a "hobby" isn't, and never was, a hobby among most music lovers. It's just you 1 percent who have money to burn and buy/sell/flip equipment every few months or a year who think it's a "hobby".
Of all the musicians, both amateur and pro, and all the audio engineers and acousticians I've known, I never once heard any of them refer to their system or endeavor as a "hobby", only by some folks here.
Building plastic models is a hobby. Collecting rocks, stamps or coins is a hobby. But, apparently, reading magazines and trying some piece of equipment, and then selling it, is a hobby for some tiny minority of people - just as it was back in the days of Allied Radio and Popular Electronics. ("Breaker, breaker, come in, good buddy".)
I am not worried about the "under 30" demographic. The record-destroying gawd-awful sound of the "close and play" record player of 1960 has been replaced by something less damaging to the content, and, sharable among friends around the world.
Hobby: an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
Listening to music, high-end audio is a hobby.
""Audio", as a "hobby" isn't, and never was, a hobby among most music lovers."
Absolutely correct. And, until sometime in the late 1990's, it was never referred as such.
"It's just you 1 percent who have money to burn and buy/sell/flip equipment every few months or a year who think it's a "hobby"."
Good point. From that point of view, it actually is rich folk "hobby". Like horse racing, or figurine collecting.
"Building plastic models is a hobby. Collecting rocks, stamps or coins is a hobby. "
"The record-destroying gawd-awful sound of the "close and play" record player of 1960..."
It sure was. It just burns me and confirms that we're now living in alternate earth bizzaro world when I see them flipping out over some piece of crap, low-fi record player from 1955 [as was right here on this general board a few days ago].
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... has to do with how much DIY talent and enthusiasm you bring to it. I grant that if you simply use bone-stock gear and bring nothing more to it than your skill in connecting the pieces, you're probably much more of a music lover than a hobbyist (or maybe neither).
If you are a muso or music tech then you would see it as part of your career/livelihood.
I think your definition of hobby is a bit narrow. I think hobby alpplies to any thing we do regularly thats not for profit but for enjoyment. Eg there are professional artists and art hobbyist. I suppose it comes down to passion as well- you might not make any money from model building or abstract painting, but it comes down to how you approach it- is is your passion that is central to your life or it a leisure activity done for relaxation/enjoyment? Or is it both.....??
In that regard for a lot of us it is a hobby. However it, or more likely the music it carries, may be an essential need we have, or a personal salve
I get your point, and agree. My reply was to the OP, where he wrote:
"I often feel like quality audio is a dying hobby." Etc.
I don't think it ever was a hobby, except to a very tiny percentage of the population. Rather, quality audio continues to evolve from the console stereos of the 1960s, to the component stereos of the 1970s and 80s to the home theater and mega-buck components of the 90s through today.
In fact, I've read more about high end, and even mid end, stereo as a "hobby" in the past 10 years than I ever did before. Sure, the proliferation of hi-fi magazines was huge in the 70s and into the 80s, but that was more because of the fact that it was the "new thing" and everybody and their dog was buying a component stereo system, rather than it being a hobby. Think back 15-20 years (That's 1997-2002 for folks in Rio Linda): How many people had cell phones? Today, the advertising is everywhere, and every big box store has a cell phone DEPARTMENT. That doesn't make the buyers "hobbyists", although some of them are app-addicts.
The component stereo market is saturated, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a store which has more than about a dozen integrated amps and receivers on display, whereas, in the 70s, when I was selling stereo, it was easy to find multiple stores that had 20-40 such products on the shelf! But that's a new product category/sales/demand thingy, not a "hobby" thingy.
I don't believe that "high quality audio hobbyists" are any fewer or more than 30 years ago. I believe that the vast majority of people bought a component stereo system because it was the flat screen/cellphone/tablet/earbud/Netflix of the day - not because they were stereo/audio/hifi hobbyists.
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