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Any opinion on the Deulunds silver and cotton/oil wire?
I have paralyses by analysis w building a pair of silver interconnects.
Mostly about the dielectric to use. Cotton? Teflon?... etc as discussed in many threads here.
Also thinking about throwing in a few strands of AG/GD wire for fun.
I make my own; .999 pure silver. Sure sounds good to me ; )
Solid core rocks, the thinner the better for interconnects. Silver ribbon is better still...especially for soundstage resolution.
I haven't researched oil impregnated cotton tubing as a dielectric, but impregnated oil will take the place of air as a dielectric, which seems counter-productive from a dielectric constant POV, since oil presents a higher dielectric constant than air. Perhaps the oil contributes to a pleasant or euphonic sonic signature due to its effect on various electrical and/or mechanical damping factors. Perhaps something I'm not aware of is involved in the concept.
As for adding a few strands of AG/GD wire, I would avoid implementing multiple conductors into a bundle, since it would affect phase/timing of the signal in an unpredictable manner, as well as unpredictable conductor resonance as a result. Best to stay with a more conventional twisted pair as a safe-bet for a DIY build, IMO. Make sure to choose a high-performance connector that sounds good to your ear for the project, since that aspect makes a great impact on the sonic signature of an audio cable.
If you ever put to market a silver and AU blend let me know, I use 100% silver in all my cables, but I have other companies make it for me.
That idea is brilliant. I know my cables well, lots of options for dielectrics to use, have fun! Do let me know if you get serious and start selling them, I would be interested, especially for speaker cables.
I'm still happy with the Venhaus DIY silver ICs.
"A man need merely light the filaments of his receiving set and the world's greatest artists will perform for him." Alfred N. Goldsmith, RCA, 1922
The best I can say about silver wire IC is they 'might' be not terrible.
So far I find copper wire to be the best sounding IC.
Including up to $1,000 a meter...
I have found silver interconnects to be far more revealing than the copper ones I have tried. I use Goertz silver ribbon and small diameter solid core silver in teflon interconnects. The Goertz outperformed a number of rather expensive interconnects...particularly the copper ones and this was with single blind testing.
What silver IC's have you tried?
With tongue in cheek I say never. Why would I need to ever have tried anything to know exactly what it is doing?
Cable with black insulation are 'dark'. With red are strident/hot etc.
This is obvious.
Actually I tried Kimber KCAG years and years ago. A few years ago I sold my two KCAG pair to The Cable Co for about what I paid for them.(used)
I have also tried to make some homemade 'who knows what/were the wire came from' silver IC to find it was no better than ordinary copper.
Basically I am saying silver is NO BETTER than copper. And since silver costs many times the price of copper.. Why bother.
Note I never wrote it was 'bright' or sounded bad.
Just it was no better, and price wise a total waste of money.. IMO.
O.K.thx. I'll scratch Kimber KCAG off my audition list.
Cardas Parsec is about $360/meter pair.
It is far better than the KCAG (and was the reason sold the KCAG)
I would highly recommend Parsec to anyone at that price point.
I replaced all my IC with Parsec two years ago.
And just recently upped to a few Kimber KS1116 KS1016 at $1,000 a meter pair.
I still use the Parsec too. In fact the Parsec and Kimber KS1116 have a kind of synergy I like.
And that's what it basically boils down to.... finding the cable that bests synergizes with your system. That being said, for some that could be a silver based cable as opposed to the Parsec. No one size is going to fit all in this silly hobby. Last I counted, I had at least 5 different metallugies going on in two different systems. So as I've said in my reply to Duster below, I'm open to anything that sounds good to me regardless of the metal involved.
Mike....if you're talking to me....Audioquest WmFLowe, MontBlanc/Everest, Wireworld, Nordost, etc., etc.
Nope, actually questioning the guy who never found much value in silver. I see you've found as many decent(or superb) silver or silver clad cables as I have. I've had silver clad Morrow MA5's with silver Eichmann's for years and pure silver Shindo IC's for a few months now. Silver done right is superb.
Silver is a bright metal. Therefore the sound of silver wires must be bright as well. ;-)
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.- Ronald Reagan
It's only bright until it starts to oxidize, which turns it black, thus producing a much darker sound.
Silver does not oxidise easily.
The tarnish that appears on silver so quickly is silver sulfide and while silver oxide is a conductor silver sulfide is a semi-conductor.
Silver oxide is used as a switch contact for corrosive environments but it is really rather difficult to produce. Simply heating silver in the presence of oxygen doesn't work and silver oxide is produced in a reaction between silver nitrate and alkali hydroxide.
In the end silver cabling is rather pointless since silver is not that much better a conductor than copper. One could just increase the cross section of the copper cable by 5% and there will be no differences.
But I'm sure you knew all this! ;-)
Yes, I do in fact know all this (I am a chemist afterall). That 5% seems to make an audible difference. Changing the crossection is not all there is to cable sound. In fact I have found that for line level signals the thinner the wire and/or ribbon the better the sound and capture of low level information.
Hey Morricab, I was starting to think that you'd fallen off the planet, but then I realized that that would be very hard to do. :)
What do you mean by "low level information"? I'm serious, not being cynical. (For once.)
Anyway, my tinned copper speaker cables are fine, as are my no-name-brand interconnects.
I am always, and rightly so, suspicious of "cable comparisons". Unless there is a VERY controlled methodology, a person CANNOT attribute a difference to a particular type of wire.
Well, I do now.
Polishing the stuff when it starts to tarnish gets to be a real pain in the ass.
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.- Ronald Reagan
I catch a tad of sarcasm here? In my travels, I've stumbled onto silver wire concoctions that actually sounded mellower than copper ( Soundsilver)....and of course those that fit your description.(Darwin).... and those that sound spot on. ( Shindo ) I'll add ClearDay to that on the cheap.
And as always....YMMV.
I agree that pure solid core silver wire tends to sound mellow, with no intrinsic brightness other than a goodly amount of treble energy, which can reveal other elements within the signal chain that contribute to a perceived brightness in playback. Otherwise, the reputation of silver causing brightness tends to be silver plated copper wire with an unclean sounding top-end as the chief offender, or perhaps a poorly designed/implemented pure solid core silver cable with a tipped up treble characteristic. YMMV
Yes, I would say that in a lot of cases if Silver sounds bright you should look elsewhere in the system instead of shooting the messenger.
Duster, I have to agree for the most part, yet I've found my silver clad Morrow MA 5's to be pretty even handed.....not bright in the least. I just have a problem with someone who declares silver to be no better than copper after sampling one manufacturer's silver IC in his system. I would call that painting with an extremely wide brush. I've got cables(both solid and stranded) that are copper, tinned copper, silver clad copper, silver and last but not least, Graphene Extreme from Cerious Tech. They all can sound very good in the right app, so I'm not jumping on ( or off ) any particular metal's band wagon. Let's just say I'm an equal opportunity cable user.
In my experience...its not just the metal that makes a difference. I have heard silver from many cable companies, and they all sound different.
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
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