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In Reply to: RE: order of magnitude...agree ten times may be larger than perceived. it is more the idea of levels posted by Elizabeth on August 25, 2012 at 13:44:23
...we need more ways to describe the level of differences.
This is true certainly, but it would also help if folks took the trouble to make sure they actually do know what a word or words mean.
Mike's catch of "order of magnitude" is certainly one of these. Few folks know what it actually means...ten times greater.
Very few changes to an already well sorted system are an order of magnitude.
There is also the problem of listening bias, which is, to some extent, based on hearing acuity.
For instance, if my hearing has begun the slow top-end roll off of old age, I might like a pair of speaker cables that would be too bright for, say my wife, but make me mighty happy.
It seems to me when we read an equipment review we may be asking for trouble for the simple fact that none of us really know what the reviewer's system sounds like, and this is especially true of folks who review equipment but not word usage.
> For instance, if my hearing has begun the slow top-end roll off of old age, I might like a pair of speaker cables that would be too bright for, say my wife, but make me mighty happy.>
As we age our hearing rolls off at say, 13-14,000 Hz.
Most of what you hear as "brightness" occurs in the 7000 to 10,000Hz range.
The very high high frequencies tend to be triangle overtones and air - not much in the way of actual sound there.
Yes, most of what we call "bright" is due to peaks in the 7,000 to 10,000 Hz response. However, even at 70, I can tell when frequencies over 10,000 Hz are missing. I recently heard the AN E with and without a $4,000 super tweeter (used over 10,000 Hz only), and the sound with the super tweeter was VASTLY more realistic. More air AND more punch. A trumpet has real impact with the additional tweeter.
"The very high high frequencies tend to be triangle overtones and air - not much in the way of actual sound there."
Triangle overtones, and if I may, ambient cues which help define the soundspace and the air that comes with good vinyl playback.
I am not sure exactly which nit you are picking, but I think my original point stands.
Something I have become acutely aware of among my audiophool friends is that changes in hearing with age are not linear. One guy's system which sounds bright and a bit etched to me, sounds mighty fine to him.
Thanks for thinking about what I said.
Changes in hearing over time also include changes in how we hear pitch and sensitivity to volume level, especially, apparently, with music in the upper register of say...massed fiddles.
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