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In Reply to: RE: Audiogon sale... fraud? posted by ggking7 on March 21, 2012 at 08:34:49
Sometimes the paranoia from you US inmates is amusing assuming that selling to international customers is fraught with risk.Once you receive your money on a wire transfer, it is yours. There is no risk in receiving money,.international wire transfers are standard business practice overseas. Banks or individuals cannot take money out of a some else's bank account - period no matter if you have the bank account no and BIC no.
Being in Australia, I buy used gear on a semi regular basis. They guys just quoting on sell to Lowe 48 states are only losing legitimate sales. On guy on audiogon refused my offer on a phono stage as I was not in the USA. No big deal, except he has now listed his item for a 2nd time without a sale. Basically it is his loss as he lost a legitimate sale.
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They think Canada is a commie country full of baby seal clubbers and all tundra, that should tell you something!
You mean it's not??? :)
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more than it is a business practice. For instance, if I buy an item which cost $5,000 from a person in Florida and I'm in California and I never recieve said item (or if the person flat out ignores me); I at least have some legal recourse (small claims court, BBB, Attny General's office -hell even fly down and P%$$' on the guy's lawn) but a person in Russia; wth I have? nothing; only a Audio forum to voice my sad complaints on...
may the bridges I burn light the way....
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The OP was talking about selling to someone outside of the USA, not buying from Russia.I probably would not buy some for $5000 from Russia as well. I have bought tubes from Russia without any problems whatsoever.
Please read and understand, wire transfer receipt into your banks account is 100% safe. That was the question.
Buying from anyone has an element of risk and an element of trust to whom ever you hand over your hard earned $$ regardless if it is from the USA, Singapore or Australia.
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the "entire" thread; not just yours that you apparently ran to defend...and within this thread it presents various transaction scenarios including:
-bank-to-bank wire transfers,
-writing checks,
-Western Union, etc..NOT just wire transfers, so perhaps you should follow your own advice and open your eyes and read the text.
And btw, not everyone in life will agree with your assesments; you shouldn't be so obviously insecure when someone attaches a reply to your post in a non-agreeable fashion...sheesh
may the bridges I burn light the way....
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You responded to my answer, not the general question. Do you not understand that.Get over yourself
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when I read a post and a person chooses the 'polite, tactful, gentlemen's approach' to point out a flaw (although I insist mine was accurate and on point) in a post.And then there's yours.
Listen, I'm through with this thread -anyway, and I hope my other post offered some assistance to the OP.
I'll let you have the last word on this even though you continue to embarrase yourself. Its becoming quite apparent that you nsist upon it.
may the bridges I burn light the way....
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You make a valid point and I think a lot of it has to do with not being familiar with international transactions and shipping. I am speaking for myself. On the other hand, with such a big market of buyers in the USA, we rarely get the opportunity to sell internationally.
As for trust, I trust folks from most countries, especially allied nations. At the risk of sounding racist, I'm not so trusting of certain cultures. Enough said.
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