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In Reply to: Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" posted by Silver on May 13, 2000 at 14:51:11:

MBA writes:
And yours can? If so, it's the only audio system on earth
(or you've never heard the BSO performing say Mahler's 7th or 8th
live then).
Silver writes:
Yes, I can.
You can what? What about your system?
However the 7th or 8th row, IMHO, is not paticulary suited to hear music comfatably because at that frontal seat you can hear only the front sections of strings.
ROFLMAO.
I recommend you to bring RS SPL meter with you to a consort, for I always bring a SPL meter with me to every coseorts I attend to.
ROFLMAOM.
Tell me. YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. WHAT TUBE AMPS HAVE YOU HEARD? DID YOU HEAR THE CJ PREM 8 OR ARC REF 600? Stop avoiding anwering every question and changing the topic when it suits you!!!
LP usually falls far behind CD in dynamics whith a few exception of direct-cuttiong LPs.
Not across the board and not at all when it comes to microdynamics/musical accents. As I said, you should buy a PA system since all you care about is SPL. Unfortunately there's a lot more to reproducing the sound of music than boom.
Tell the people about your analog front end so they can have another laugh.
My measureing is not restricted in orchestra, I often attend salon consorts by Jorg Demus, a wien famouse pianist as you know him. What you wrote after the quote above simply contradicts with the fact I ovserve.

Who cares? I'm not going to get into debates about who's the best pianist, conductor, etc. with you because that's not what the topic was--and for once stay on the subject.
. DID YOU OR DIDN'T YOU USE AN ORIGINAL MERCURY LP FOR THE STARKER COMPARISONS
should I get exhorbitantly priced used orginal Mercury in the first place?
Troll, troll, troll and double troll. Change the subject. You bore me. The point was that you were comparing the CD to an inferior mastered LP. Your conclusions are therefore null, void and totally meaningless. Come back to us then when you've made a real comparison that counts. This is the real point of the thread and I am now done. You don't know what you're talking about.
Ramble on since I've proved my point and am done. Goodbye.
Myles B. Astor
Publisher
Ultimate Audio

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Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" Silver 10:23:36 05/14/00 (4)
Yours is quite a troll is it not?
You yourself are ignoring many questions I asked.
> Tell me. YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. WHAT TUBE AMPS HAVE > YOU HEARD? DID YOU HEAR THE CJ PREM 8 OR ARC REF 600? Stop
Those amps are not sold here.
> Not across the board and not at all when it comes to microdynamics/musical accents. As I said, you should buy a PA system since all you care about is SPL. Unfortunately there's a lot more to reproducing the sound of music than boom.
This is definetely troll. When did I say I do not care about only max SPL? microdynamics/musical accents are what I care most, because I mainly listen to classical music, it which the lacking of dynacs/musical accents make music quite boring as you know.
> Who cares? I'm not going to get into debates about who's the best pianist, conductor, etc. with you because that's not what the topic was--and for once stay on the subject.
Did you fail to see my point? I am saying that the comparison with CD and LP is nonsence. Compare it with the real music. I compare Jorg Demus's CD recorded at the same salon with the live performance.
> Troll, troll, troll and double troll. Change the subject. You bore me. The point was that you were comparing the CD to an inferior mastered LP. Your conclusions are therefore null, void and totally meaningless.
You are actually troller your self. As I said, do not compare the CD wiht a supposed-to-be good LP. Why do you do this, is it because Harry pearson recommended it to you? Compare it with the live. Understand how the live music sounds. Without this, what is the purpose of Ultimate ASudio? Ultimate Price you mean???
Go and get the CD I recommended to you.
- Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" Myles B. Astor 05:13:36 05/15/00 (3)
  Still can't stick to the topic can you?
  You are actually troller your self. As I said, do not compare the CD wiht a supposed-to-be good LP. Why do you do this, is it because Harry pearson recommended it to you?
  
  ROFLMAO.
  Yes, because HP tell me too via our psychic connection. His audio kharma radiates from LI to NY and has me under his spell. Doesn't it reach Japan? Too bad because you might learn something. But let's get it straight: my name is Myles Astor, not Harry Pearson.
  Now lets look at the facts. You made the claim that the Starker CD sounded better than the LP. You used a shitty LP mastering. You use a crappy analog front end. When pressed, you couldn't back up your claims so you try your best to obfuscate the story.
  The reason you use the original mastering is because it's the proper way to perform such a comparison. When you compare, you compare apples with apples, not apples with oranges. The best pressing vs the best pressing or else why? Why didn't you just just compare the CD to the cassette tape? I'm sure the CD sounds better too. Kinda like saying you're smarter than a retarded person. Are you that incredibly dense not to understand?
  And you're trying to further obsfuscate the facts by knocking my mag won't get you any further either since as usual, you don't know what you're talking about as you've proved above.
  Myles B. Astor
  Publisher
  Ultimate Audio
  - Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" Silver 08:21:03 05/15/00 (2)
    
    In Reply to: Re: Please explain posted by Myles B. Astor on May 15, 2000 at 05:13:36:
    
    > Now lets look at the facts. You made the claim that the Starker CD sounded better than the LP. You used a shitty LP mastering. You use a crappy analog front end. When pressed, you couldn't back up your claims so you try your best to obfuscate the story.
    What???
    WHEN DID I SAY "the Starker CD sounded better than the LP. "?
    Let's get thigs straight,
    yes. in the post http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/59179.html
    you wrote something sbout Strker, but when and where did I said I compared
    the original issue Mercury LP (not a Golden import, foreign pressing or some other later issue) to the CD ???
    Later I wrote the recent release from Altavista was Mercury CD u.s print though,
    Did you compare it with your favorite Mercury?
    I think you are getting tired these days.
    -------- reference ------
    you wrote:
    http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/59179.html
    Also, it's curious that no one out liked the Mercury digital reissues - especially the latter ones! The Starker CD pales next to the LP. You're telling me/us that you've compared the original issue Mercury LP (not a Golden import, foreign pressing or some other later issue) to the CD and reached this conclusion. Awfully hard to believe. If you have, then somethings really wrong somewhere.> the Mercury digital reissues - especially the latter ones! The Starker CD pales next to the LP.
    8
    Me wrote:
    http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/59204.html
    IMHO, these mercury CDs which are printed in u.s have inverted absolute polarity. Get German prints. you will find surprising difference between u.s and German prints.
    2A care must be taken that although it is written as German print on the couver of a CD, the CD itself is not always printed in German.
    me wrote:
    http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/59285.html
    �v�� should I get exhorbitantly priced used orginal Mercury in the first place?
    The eraly Mercury recordings of Starker BACH unacompanied Cello suites are not pariculaly
    superbe in comparing to the later recordings such as Anner Bylsma(1979 sony), Mischar Maisky(1894 DG),
    http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/59428.html
    You are actually troller your self. As I said, do not compare the CD wiht a supposed-to-be good LP. Why do you do this, is it because Harry pearson recommended it to you? Compare it with the live. Understand how the live music sounds. Without this, what is the purpose of Ultimate ASudio? Ultimate Price you mean???
    
    Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" Myles B. Astor 09:15:10 05/15/00 (1)
    
    In Reply to: Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" posted by Silver on May 15, 2000 at 08:21:03:
    
    Listen you sick puppy. I've asked you nicely to stop sending posts to my email address harassing me. Since you won't listen privately, I will ask you publicly.
    Now as to the post. The post I'm referring to is missing or I can't find it on the board where you listed a half dozen or so recordings and how the CD was better than the LP. End of story.
    Myles B. Astor
    Publisher
    Ultimate Audio
    
    Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" Silver 09:32:53 05/15/00 (0)
    
    In Reply to: Re: Please explain "listener's fatigue" posted by Myles B. Astor on May 15, 2000 at 09:15:10:
    
    > Now as to the post. The post I'm referring to is missing or I can't find it on the board where you listed a half dozen or so recordings and how the CD was better than the LP. End of story
    Stop joking, the reason why you could not find is that I did not claim such a tings as you reffered.
    You just made a false claim that all.
    I listed a half dozen recordings, but what is wrong about that?

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