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In Reply to: RE: what is your most shocking wikileakesque revelations about the audio industry in the last 3 years? posted by jeromelang on December 10, 2010 at 00:10:44
The Tascam CDRW750 Pro and Denon CDR632 are the same machine except for a slightly different set of front panel buttons. The interiors are identical. (Not that most of us would care about these niche products.)
The Onkyo T-9 and Sansui TU-717 are outstanding tuners and easily beat a couple of revered McIntoshes in sound quality.
The price of an audio cable can have no relation to its sound quality.
CD playback done right sounds very satisfying and can be better overall than some LP gear.
Hi-rez digital (24/192 or greater) will eventually replace LPs.
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"CD playback done right sounds very satisfying and can be better overall than some LP gear."
My take - a good cd player, including low cost portables, sound better to my ears than most vinyl playback systems regardless of cost. On the other hand I would take a my favorite TTs (example - wall mounted P3) with a nice cartridge (example - dyna 20xl) and phono section (example - dyna p75) over any CD player I have ever heard.
I get blown away at how good low cost Redbook CD can be - but it's not going to replace vinyl in my system.
"Hi-rez digital (24/192 or greater) will eventually replace LPs."
All I can say about this is that SACD had the potential to do so but didn't. But I think 24/192 might have an advantage because it fits on current and proposed multi-media formats - not sure if the same can be said for DSD.
Say it isn't so!
You mean a couple of feet of speaker wire aren't really worth more than a pair of my finest amplifiers?
Naw. That would take eight, maybe ten feet minimum!
Seriously, I haven't heard an Ayre since I brought my V5 to you in 2003 for an update. Maybe it is time to see what has been growing here in CO.
No, no it won't.
However, you will not be able to buy a "CD" in 5 years except on the used market.
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Long Live Dr.Gizmo
I've yet to hear 24/192 "done right"...... No matter how hard one tries, after roughly 15 minutes of listening, my ears always feel as if they've been subjected to dentist's drills............
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I've yet to hear 24/192 "done right"....
Todd, it may be time to trade in your DA-2 for an Orpheus. I didn't see a media server in your main system, but I hope you can try Firewire someday. There is a much bigger improvement with Firewire over S/PDIF coax than there is for S/PDIF coax over Toslink.
Until there is a way to cut down the RFI and latency issues in PC-based playback, I don't see a "server" type system in my audio future. The few times I've auditioned them, I've been less than impressed. Not to mention the time it takes to get running, with a decent selection of music.
In the early 1980s when CDs hit the market, if they truly offered "perfect sound forever", there never would have been a resurgence in LP, although a niche market will exist for a long time due to a) inertia (installed base), and b) novelty (LPs are fun). Just remember how fast LPs disappeared from the "record" stores around that time!
Even now, the reviews of the new file-based digital gear are overwhelmingly positive. This is in contrast to many of the reviews of early CD players. Done right, hi-rez - again 24/192 or greater - is largely competitive with analog, IMO/IME.
I think you are right about CDs. It is my feeling that used CD players are already getting harder to sell, meaning overall demand is falling. I am not a dealer, so I don't have that perspective on the market. Netflix/cable/satellite on-demand is surely hurting the sales of DVD/Blu-ray players. Blockbuster is emerging from bankrupcy for like the 5th time now. Manufacturers of CDs and CD players know the truth, of course. We don't even need to rehash how the marketplace has embraced, ugh, MP3s.
I agree that 24/192 on a PC music server wins hands down over CD players. The CD is without doubt on borrowed time now, as are most any physical audio formats (LP is a specialized & collectors nitch of which the majority of sales are used). However IMO there is a very large gap between 192 and LP. I have heard in a recording studio 2.3 million sampling rate, and even to my analog ears, this wins hand down compared to LP, so yes there is a point where digital equals and surpasses LP, but we have a long ways to go, my guess is something over half a million (768?) sampling rate will be required to equal quality LP playback. I also agree that a PC based music server has elimiated many of the mechanical problems of CD/SACD/DVD players, and thus combined with downloading, will be the wave of the future even in high quality audio (it already is for std audio today the dreaded MP3).
Jerry,
Always on the lookout for a great player. What cd players done right can better some lp gear?
I love LPs' but get a great deal of enjoyment from my Sony 5400es
Also my $90 sony s370 blue ray player is very nice for its very low sale price
Alan
A CD player will beat vinyl only if the vinyl rig is either cheesy or improperly set-up. (Unfortunately, I think most vinyl rigs are not set up properly.)
The other problem is there are so few CD sources that do get it right. Get a used Philips CDC-935 or Marantz CC-45 CD changer on eBay, have a good designer re-build the output stage, and you'll have a source that will IMO beat 99 percent of what's out there. (But still, it won't outperform a good vinyl rig.)
Please see below.
Happy listening.
Regards,
JerryS
If one wants to spend money on the best digital audio has to offer, Prism is one of few companies that consistently deliver.
Where do I find prism products?
Or, a top-flight CD player can sound better than a crappy turntable.;-)
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
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Mind you, I hated digital for over a decade, and no wonder when you look back to the crude players. They knew how to record it well but not how to reproduce fine analog from that recording. It has taken decades to come to terms with good filtering --> fine reproduction.
At the risk of sounding smug, I'm hearing the best sounding (classical) music I ever have both via speakers & via headphones (even better). And that is now as good using FLAC burned discs on hard drive as I have heard on a modded Esoteric player. Sweet, articulate, ...... really great sound for great music. And hard drive via Sooloos is close to the ultimate ergonomically. No more jumping up and down until you find the right music for the current mood. (The search engine is not perfect for classical music & that explains the "close").
So my great conversion has been away from vinyl to digital. That said it has been a long and rather torturous path but great to have arrived.
John
Sadly (or is it happily?) an incurable audio-video nutter with an indecent number of toys. Classical music forever!!!!
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