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Al Sekela

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In Reply to: Re: All designs can be improved. posted by B.Zak on September 14, 2006 at 12:11:37:

I've got a Wadia 861 (not -se) purchased in 1998 and the manual says the same thing. I believe Wadia's intent was to avoid complaints from use of incompatible power conditioners, but it certainly makes them look silly. To be charitable, power conditioners were not well developed in 1998, and neither were power cords.
I can assure you that my Wadia, on its own dedicated 20-ampere circuit, certainly does benefit from power cord and power conditioning treatments. It does NOT like to share a circuit with a power amp!
Another useful tweak for this model is to remove the pointy feet and support the player on roller-ball suspension devices. Horizontal freedom allows it to reveal more detail. Be sure the power cord and interconnect cables do not restrict the horizontal motion, and that the vertical support is solid.

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Re: Interesting example. - B.Zak 08:10:31 09/15/06 (5)
I see your point...and it's well taken, But my Wadia 861se was bought in 05 with the manual saying......
"The best performance is obtained when the Wadia 861se is plugged directly into the wall with power cord provided. The Wadia 861se has power conditioning, surge suppression and an extremely sophisisticated overall protection scheme. It should not be necessary to use surge protectors, power conditioners, or aftermarket power cords, some of which may degrade sonic performance. If you wish to experiment with any of thes devices, work with your dealer - and most of all, trust your ears."
I don't think there statement is a way to avoid complaints and certainly doesn't make them look silly. I think that it speaks for it self.
And...BTW...my ears tell me their right.
- Notice the weasel-words... - Al Sekela 11:02:06 09/15/06 (4)
  "It should not be necessary to use surge protectors, power conditioners, or aftermarket power cords, some of which may degrade sonic performance." 'Should' and 'may' cover my interpretation of this statement. There are plenty of half-baked power cord and power conditioner designs, which add noise or sonic artifacts.
  If you have pristine incoming AC, and effective filters to keep the power supply noise from your other components out of the Wadia, then you may well not need a better cord to realize the Wadia's maximum performance potential. Forgive me if I continue to doubt that this is the case.
  - Well...to each his own... - B.Zak 11:51:24 09/15/06 (3)
    I assume that Wadia knows more about their equipment and power requirements than anyone else. Enough to know that it would be better to come down on the side of caution when dealing with powerline devises....most of which are not worth the money spent... as you say, "half-baked designs".
    (Or... maybe Wadia is a part of a vast conspiracy of non clean AC-believers out to ruin the PLC makers of the world by advising against their use).
    I think its the former...not the later.
    - Re: Well...to each his own... - soulfood 15:30:45 09/15/06 (2)
      You said Wadia stated, "It should not be necessary to use surge protectors, power conditioners, or aftermarket power cords, some of which may degrade sonic performance."
      What do you make of this? It seems they're saying their equipment can be degraded by A/C but not improved. It sounds like nonsense. I wonder if they feel that dedicated lines are also a potential detriment.
      - Re: Well...to each his own... - B.Zak 16:43:09 09/15/06 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Well...to each his own... posted by soulfood on September 15, 2006 at 15:30:45:
        
        "It should not be necessary to use surge protectors, power conditioners, or aftermarket power cords, some of which may degrade sonic performance."
        Where are you reading in that statement that they say AC degrades the performance of their products? Who would make such a claim as that!
        I dont think it says "Use of AC on this product may be detrimental to it's sonic performance". (even though...suprise!...it takes AC to power the damn thing!)
        That IS nonsense!
        
        They most certainly say, plain as day, that some..not all, of these so-called power improving devices can possibly degrade the performance of their product.
        
        As to the last speculation you make...you'll have to ask Wadia.
        
        Re: Well...to each his own... - soulfood 20:43:01 09/15/06 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Well...to each his own... posted by B.Zak on September 15, 2006 at 16:43:09:
        
        Wadia says,
        "It should not be necessary to use surge protectors, power conditioners, or aftermarket power cords, some of which may degrade sonic performance."
        You say,
        "They most certainly say, plain as day, that some..not all, of these so-called power improving devices can possibly degrade the performance of their product."
        You both say some AC accessories can degrade performance.
        You asked,
        "Where are you reading in that statement that they say AC degrades the performance of their products? Who would make such a claim as that!"
        Both you and Wadia are making that claim. After AC passes through any of the devices in question, it is still AC. Why is it difficult to say, after market AC products have absolutely no affect on the Wadia, if it were indeed true?

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