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There is one thing I can agree with John Atkinson about and that is that James Randi seems to like peppering his articles with untruths. One of the latest being "I have news. Mr Belt is getting rich."
Wow ! That's news to me. How could I have missed that major event, seeing as how I have been married to Peter for the past 51 years ?
Randi goes on to further say that "we sell to naive audiophiles." I think calling our customers naive couldn't be further from the truth. I personally would place them in the category of braver than brave after witnessing the amount of mockery and ridicule which is aimed at them from all sides !I would also counsel John not to be jerked around by James Randi as though he (John) was a puppet on a string. There are a multitude of things which Randi can chose from to be constantly challenging from within the world of audio and from within the pages of Stereophile. When he gets bored with one thing, he can easily find another to jump on and he can just go on and on. I am presuming he has already become bored with the Shakti Stone and when he becomes bored with Peter Belt, he can chose from numerous other things. One of them might be the painting the edge of CDs with the Green Pen - which you described, John, as improving the sound but, ended your description with 'don't anyone ask you for an explanation'. Or maybe another thing for Randi to cast his eye on could be Dr. Chow's cable jacket. Or maybe another thing could be cables themselves - or (probably your worst nightmare John) - cryogenic freezing - the list could be endless.
I see you are quite keen to find proof of how you have "poured scorn on Belt devices". I personally would have thought you would have been far more cautious than that. I appreciate your wish is to show proof that James Randi has lied about such matters but in the long term you might find yourself in the position of the proverbial "between a rock and a hard place". Because history is a far harsher judge than any of the James Randis of this world. You are most likely to find yourself linked more with what I call the "Dr Hughes Bennett syndrome" From the history of Joseph Lister around 100 years ago when Dr Hughes Bennett is quoted as saying "Where are the germs ? Show them to us and we will believe. Has anybody seen these germs ?" And many of Lister's fellow doctors and surgeons were quoted as mockingly saying "Shut the door quickly, or Professor Lister's germs will get in".
To quote from the 1882, 3rd annual meeting of the American Surgical Association - "the anti-listerians were in the majority, some publicly rejecting the germ theory". - some 15 years after Lister performed his first antiseptic treatments !!!I don't know if you will have the courage to re-print Alvin Gold's 1987 article in a similar archive form as you have re-printed J Gordon Holt's article on Peter Belt but I can let you have a copy of Alvin's article if you can't find yours !
Regards,
May Belt.
Follow Ups:
NT
No. I am not my husband. I am actually May Belt - with my own knowledge, with my own understanding of the world and with my own opinions - as people who have seen the films of my talks can verify.
I do exist, as a person in my own right, as numerous people in the UK audio industry can verify - if verification is actually what you require.
Regards,
May Belt.
Dear Ms. Belt,I *admit* I don't keep up with the various tweaks and modifications that exist in the area of audio reproduction. As I understand matters, it is your husband who is responsible for the equipment that is produced. If you are involved in any stage of the process (minus promotion), then my apologies.
Respect,
Guy
Apology accepted. And, might I add, it was given quickly and graciously.
Whilst completely acknowledging that it was Peter's initial observations and his realisation of the significance to audio of what he had observed, I am far more involved in all aspects of his work than mere promotion.
As many people know, I have been involved not only with his (unusual)work these past 25 years but also with his previous (30 years!!)wholely conventional audio work manufacturing moving coil, electrostatic and orthodynamic headphones and loudspeakers.
May Belt.
that had you husband never existed, the product we see as his would be yours, n'est-ce pas?Respect,
Guy
Then it won't matter what Randi says or does not say. Until then,I'm not worrying about whether he is right about irrelevant details such as whether you are getting rich.Until then, I'm not even considering buying your products.
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"Nature loves to hide."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
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...is the same guy who traveled the world decapitating Alice Cooper in stage shows utilizing a trick guillotine, during the '70's.How he has the cojones to be so insufferably know-it-all, I have no clue.
Cheers, Bill
I always enjoyed his magic when i was a kid out in Pennsylvania...A fun guy.
I'd rather him look into the wonders of 'chi' because on some level i believe...
I find it interesting how many people compare what they are saying to Galileo or some other historical figure who was laughed at or rejected to justify their own fantastic claims. Someday, they feel they too will be proved right, without any understanding of the context and circumstances of these historical figures.jsm
...that new discoveries tend to be ridiculed at first.
NT
but the discoveries that were laughed at were consistently verifiable if the person looking really looked. without an explanation or at least properly applied statistical evidence it's all just potential snakeoil.
"but the discoveries that were laughed at were consistently verifiable if the person looking really looked. without an explanation or at least properly applied statistical evidence it's all just potential snakeoil."But sometimes the equipment to 'look' and measure isn't available until many years after something is discovered.
I couldn't have proved to you that infra-red light or ultra-violet light existed until we developed the technology to 'see' it.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
As soon as light was understood as a wave phenomenon, it was immediately realized that light could exist at wavelength other than those that which could be detected. People weren't ridiculed for saying that.jsm
. . . turn out to be little more than scams.
nt
I also posted a link to John Atkinson's comments on the PWB products. I did this not to ridicule PWB, but rather to show how ridiculous Mr. Randi's assertion actually is. FYI, I am a former Randi Challenge applicant.Regarding PWB, I am actually using a Machina Dynamica Clever Little Clock in my system and its stunning effectiveness has stimulated an interest on my part in your methodologies. I anxiously look forward to learning more about PWB methods in the months ahead.
You're really just try to get attention, right?No sane person could belive the efficacy of the Clock. What? Are you going to say, "I believe my ears"? Like I said, crazy.
Bill Bailey
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Beauty? Or Truth?
...and I'm not alone in my assessment.
Tweakus Fidelis
I have tried the PWB foil and I can hear its effects. However, I do not believe their explanation. As with the Clever Clock, I believe the products here are working on RFI and altering the RFI in the listening environment.
With the case of the foil, I do believe the simple mylar foil used for fishing lures and children's stickers (well some adult ones too), picks up RFI and being sandwiched in plastic and stuck to a surface acts as a piece of contrained layer material in dampening the effect of any RFI absorbed. The foil is more effective if placed closer to sources of RFI, like a CD/DVD player.
RFI and EMI can alter the sound characteristics of a system, although most would term the effects subtle at most. However, like any tweek, the effect can build upon itself the more you apply it. The end result can be quite a change, and one need not spend a great deal of money on the gear itself to hear the effect.
Of course, YMMV...........Stu
You might not like our explanation but your explanation that it is to do with RFI is not valid. Peter's initial observations were because of the effect of a chemical changing the sound. The Rainbow Foil, as a device, came much later, after further realisations that colours were also significant. You can achieve a similar effect on the sound using our Cream to that experienced by using the Rainbow Foil and, as everyone will know, you cannot affect RFI with a Cream !
So, you, unclestu52, are now stuck with an OBSERVATION that the Rainbow Foil changes the sound but without an explanation that fits your experience. This is where you have to put up a 'marker flag' because something has changed the sound which you cannot explain !! Which now puts you where we were 25 years ago !
Regards,
May Belt.
RFI can be affected by many things including dye lots and other formulations. You are correct in saying the chemistry affects the sound, but I believe it does so because of the material constituents.In the case of your rainbow foil, I have managed to duplicate the exact effects of the foil by simply demagnetizing the foil and then applying it. The fact that demagnetizing the foil enhances the effect indicates the susceptibility of the foil to absorb EMI/RFI.
With my limited instrumentation, I cannot give any numbers, however. Interestingly, placing the foil in areas where the ERS paper seems to be most effective seems to enhance sound the most. The measured effects of ERS are known and published, BTW.In this case you are most correct, however. I have an observation, but the given explanation does not fit standard physics. I have several choices: either to accept your hypothesis, or to seek out others. In experimenting with placement, I find my explanation to be supported by the fact that the foil is most effective when placed closer to sources of RFI/EMI or to devices which are more sensitive to EMI/RFI. The amount of affected EMI/RFI is minute, and far below the scope on any instrumentation I have. Thus, I must resort to physical manipulation and observation, to support my explanation.
Regards
Stu
...dramatic improvement upon stunning effectiveness. How much more can we expect?
No over the top praise from the wilfully self-deluding would surprise me.
...of those unwilling to investigate IME.
I'm perfectly willing to try such 'tweaks'. I just refuse to line their purveyors' pockets, using reasoning similar to that by which I've never purchased a Lotto ticket in my life because I oppose state run gambling. I promise to provide feedback for any loaners, including winning Lotto tickets, however.
If you add up all the excited media and inmate testimonials, these characters have certainly taken audio (and scientific discovery) to the next level.Alas, they can’t yet collect that Nobel prize until they can prove it’s not simply a scam to make money off impressionable audiophiles. That pesky proof thing required by real science...
;-)
...stereo out of the box. Without these magical add-ons, we're apparently listening to shit systems anyway.
nt
nt
...but I am told that there is more in store. :-)
> > stunning effectivenessReally? On the order of a new component? Cabling? CD treatment? Did I
miss a review or post where you've already addressed this experience?
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I know this off tpic, but you don't accept unsolicited emails.Anyway, I've got C&C IM-Bens w/ Fostex T-900A supertweeter and just picked up a PX-25. I've also been thinking of getting a Yamamoto 45 SET.
Since we've got many of the same major components, what was your impressions of these two amps, comparatively?
Did the Yamamoto have enough power and drive for most music?
Tonally how did they compare? I tend to lean towards the more textured and rich side of neutral. More a cabernet over white wine kind of guy.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Hiya,> > Tonally how did they compare? I tend to lean towards the more textured and rich side of neutral. More a cabernet over
white wine kind of guy.In short, after listening to the 'moto in my rig, I would (and did)
stick with the PX-25. I like my music more dense and tonally
saturated ... the Yammy was yummy, but too citrusy and brightly lit
(think absence of oak and butter) for my tastes. If I had Terry's
single horns, I could well be singing another tune, but that's a long
story in itself.All that said, given my recent experience with the Zu Druid, I've
gotta' wonder if the 'moto wouldn't be that cat's meow with your
Hammer Dynamics Super-12? Not a recommendation, mind you, as
I've never experienced the Hammers and could be WAY off base, but
I keep hearing comparos with the Druid ... just a thought. Maybe
you can tell me about that speaker's flavor? You can catch me at
stephaenATaudioasylum.com
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...to my most extensive commentary on the subject.
I said empty .
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Semmelwiess's methods worked, and people came to understand that.You need to show the same thing for your stuff. That's how to go about this.
Speaking of reprints, I remember reading a copy of an email, at least that's what the format resembled as I recall, wherein you were describing the usage of morphic messages for getting the most out of components/systems in the trade show setting. As I recall this was a sort of poor man's version of the technology as, again if I'm not mistaken, the description didn't involve commercial products, rather just common materials that could be used for the purpose.Is there any chance you could reproduce a copy of the document here. Thanks in advance.
You will probably be able to quickly access Carol Clark's article on the Red 'x' Pen in Issue 12 of audioMUSINGS.
You can experiment with what you are calling a 'poor man's version' by using a Red Staedtler Lumocolour permanent ink pen (I think the size of the pen point suitable for writing is No 313).
You can also use the normal small white address labels for experimentation purposes. You use CAPITAL letters throughout. Write the brand name of the equipment followed by the chevron > followed by the letters OK.
May Belt.
Thanks. However I assume you meant the AudioMusings section from Positive Feedback, Issue 12. That issue does not appear to contain the material you indicated; I also checked issues 11 and 13 but no luck.Perhaps the interesting document, the one I saw earlier, will show up again some day.
Then there's dave clark's recent article in Issue 21:http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue21/audioramblings1.htm
Peter Belt as a practitioner or priest of a religious system, "I really find no difference between Belt or any other faith or belief system", nor I!As far as the fundamental principles of "Beltism",
"Our basic concept is that everything in the modern environment has an energy pattern that we (human beings) are sensing and reacting to—that we are interpreting these energy patterns as 'danger'., 'intruders'.,' predators'., or that we cannot resolve these energy patterns and therefore remain under tension. Peter has developed techniques to change these adverse energy patterns to ones that we recognize as 'friendly' and therefore to gradually treat so many things in the modern environment (including the very audio equipment) so that we (human beings) can be under less tension, therefore can perceive more of the information that is actually in the room."
Perhaps by way of explanation for the lack of enthusiasm the Beltists might consider the possibility that is only they that ".. are interpreting these energy patterns as 'danger'., 'intruders'.,' predators'., or that we cannot resolve these energy patterns and therefore remain under tension".
Look I more than willing to accept that as a group Beltists are indeed suffering some sort of malady, but does the cure really have to involve going public and evangelizing, can't they just find some peaceful location get busy healing themselves without having to bother the non-afflicted majority?
Anyway that's as far as I'm willing to go ... I can't be faulted for looking after my own health after all since I my case it is an article of, what shall I call it, faith, that spending to much time in the presence of idiots may lead to idiocy in ones own actions/beliefs/etc. Now what self respecting Beltist could argue with that?
almost directly from the get-go we have,"Let's consider the Great Audio Pursuit—you know where you chase your audio-tail until you die unhappy because you never find what you think you're after thing? Well… we are very happy with how our system sounds (at least how we think it sounds!)."
Isn't that something, the guy clearly thinks that he is a representative of a small minority (how small? he and wifey alone?) that actually enjoy the sound of their system? That there will be a great deal of foolinsness following such a launch almost seems inevitable ... ah the sacrifices, I'll soldier on.
nt
the following bit in particular,"Science is the truth only in matters that can be objectified; in the spiritual world, where values, goals, authority and purpose are located, science has nothing to say. It is a poor life that is restricted to the scientific standard of truth, where you and I are nothing but a collection of atoms without meaning and purpose"
got me wondering ... was your Definitive Explanation for the operation of the GSIC intended as a "spiritual" statement?
nt
nt
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