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In Reply to: Re: When does a better mouse trap turn distasteful carboncopy cloning? posted by Kuei Yang Wang on July 12, 2003 at 08:05:34:
>>Well. Looking at things simply, there are a lot of reasons why most airplanes are shaped like airplanes.==Good point, and one I'm glad you brought up. Dad was/is a senior Boeing engineer. Aeronautics has THE most limiting design criteria in the world. Audio does not. Still I know what you are saying.
Sonically I know that you have gone where nearly all have not T. And I am amazed by the depth of your swim.
As creative as gainchip amps are, the creativity must also be applied to preserving another mfgrs ideas and design. It's a respect thing.
I wonder if all this can be laid at the feet of Elvis impersonators. At first novel, then their quanitity becomes irritating and then annoying. When did it become ok to just throw your hands up in the air and declare a wheel is a wheel.
TC
Follow Ups:
This discussion is a lot of crap. To call someone's designed product a wheel is insulting to all those who exercise their creative talents.Would you, given correct circumstances, purchase a copy of an art masterpiece? Something like 'Mona Lisa', just because it is a good copy and is cheap? I know a guy that laboriously and faithfully copys works of the 'old masters'. Does that make him an artist? Does that make what he does Art?
Peter, if you have a good idea, great. The world can always use a better idea, another creative solution. We don't need just another wheel. We don't need another rip off of a truly good idea that has a proven track record. In order to provide the world with something of REAL VALUE, you must go all the way and make it a truly revolutionary, creative product, not just a copy and not on the back of another's hard work. Regardless of the rationale to the contrary.
Guess what. The rationale that you expressed for the chassis design already happened. The ideas are not original, but there are other ways that are.
Get in the pool or go home.
Later
D
You seem to be missing my point. As long as you didn't had both units for evaluation you cannot comment that one is the copy of the other. It just happens that they both share cosmetic similarities, but that's about it. You might like it or not, but for one person sharing your views, there may be ten with opposite views.Get in the pool or go home.
Dave A writes:"Guess what. The rationale that you expressed for the chassis design already happened. The ideas are not original, but there are other ways that are."
> > .Peter writes:"It just happens that they both share cosmetic similarities, but that's about it."==Backup buddy, 47 did it first. 47labs gaincard does NOT share a likeness with amP-1. AMp-1 took it's likeness from *IT*(47labs).
So far we have alluded to wheels, planes, pop cans in an effort to circumvent/assimilate justification for using Kimuras chassis design.If it were not for the fact that you provided evidence that you have designed an amp with "personalized" cosmetics like the one shown ....
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9112&pagenumber=1
.....I wold have long ago abandoned this 3rd grade aesthetics *plagerism* discussion.
One things for shure, when you aspire to such creative and unique *ideas*, you can pretty much assure no-ones gonna clone YOUR clone? Theyll just make it *gasp*, less expensive.
TC
I guess my only way out of it, is making the price of amP-1 higher than the price of GainCard. If someone decides to buy it, it's only because it's better and not regarded as cheap imitation. Maybe that's what I should have done from the beginning? ;-)
Theres any number of ways to rectify the situation. Fix production @ "X" # of units and lump it. Then mkt the acrylic for more than the Amp-1 by a bit (?). Or get real creative and "break new ground" by coming up with something new and cool. You got the chops, it's just a formality. But a mere decision or two.TC
That is the point. You take the problem, with all it's aspects and come up with a new and innovative solution. If you want to include a certain retail price point into the problem, fine. Just make sure that, in the end, it looks as innovative as it really is.I would like to see you create a fresh new amp design, instead of a copy of one. In that way, you will stop dangling your feet in the water's edge and dive in. We all welcome another great product, so do it. Just remember that it must look great to be great. Give it an identity.
Would you like to be a clone?
Later
D
You guys have been a lot of help, inspiration and actually you didn't get on me too hard ;-).I agree that while AMP-1 is a fine design, it will always carry a mark of a clone in some circles. It was a good entry product to grab attention and enjoy my 15 min. of fame, but you are right that I need a truly new and innovative product to really make it big. I believe I'm capable of that and the new design should come out soon.
Thanks for the valuable input.
Good luck Peter. I look forward to your contributions.Later
D
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