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I have been using a Yamaha cd-s1000 sacd player for red book cd playback. I do not think I will warm up to sacds. I recently got a Topping D90 dac which I like a fair bit. Question is am I better with good budget transport like Audiolab cdt 6000 or keep the Yamaha as a cd transport. I bought the dac from Apos Audio who told me that the dac is designed to filter out difference between transports so it is not worthwhile to change and pointed me to article on Audio Science Review.
What the consensus? I like transparent but natural sound.
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In my opinion, you will hear much greater differences among DACs than the CD transport. If your plan is improve the sound by swapping transports I think you will be chasing your tail. Unless there is a compelling reason to change transports, I would stick to what you have. Just my 2-cents worth.
You may be right. I ordered a Audiolab CDT-6000 from Amazon to check it out myself. If it does not work out, I can always return it. I figured nobody will be able to tell me if it would or would not. If it does, it will save some space as the Yamaha takes up a lot of space and I don't play SACDs. If it does not, then I will invest in some SACDs to make use of the player.
Thoroughly enjoying my Audiolab 6000cdt.
Replaced an old Roksan Caspian I had been using as a transport. The Roksan was built like a tank. Audiolab not so much, but they wanted to hit a certain budget. And it looks fine to me.
From what I've read, your Yamaha is also built like a tank and a gorgeous player as was reflected in it's selling price.
Try not to let the build and cosmetics bias your opinion between the units. What the Audiolab does, it does very well.
I like the idea of the Pi4 mentioned. I don't stream, but would use it for new release digital 16 bit and hi res downloads where available. Ripping all my CD's eventually, low priority for me.
Admittedly I do still enjoy some of the fine tactile qualities of CD pkging and thematic artwork. As with all the vinyl I have. Each to their own.
Hope the Audiolab works out well for you.
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Or Get a Streamer that streams DSD Audio and you can Download DSD Material... Your new Dac will play them just fine!
A streamer such as an Raspberry Pi, will also be a lot smaller and take up far less space than your 'Transports'... In addition it will be able to stream any Radio Station in the World, and you can ditch any tuner that you might have, saving even more space. And Save a lot of money to Boot !!
I have scroes of CDs that are not available via streaming.
Yup! --- Then you just rip them to a Disk Drive and stream them from there. I've got over 5,000 Albums myself on a Hard Drive smaller than a deck of Cards.
I am too lazy to rip hundreds of CDs, let alone thousands.
How can you possibly have the energy to load them in a Player more than Once? -- When you Rip them, you only have to do it once... Think about it.
I still listen to vinyl, so what you mention is a non-issue! ;-)
on your experience with rhe new transport. Interested.
If you ever setup a music server on a PC / Mac / or NAS, the trick is to RIP your CD's in batches over time starting with your favorites. But be sure to use good ripping software on the PC/Mac like dBpoweramp. And above all be sure to RIP using lossless compression or no compression at all (no mp3 or aac). You don't want to have to go back and redo your work. I probably don't have as many CDs as you but that's what I did.
I've been using Mac Minis over the years for my music server but recently moved everything to a Synology NAS with 2 disk bays. I use Roon software to manage my music. Roon Core is on the NAS and I use the Roon Remote on my computer or iPad to control it all.
I "stream" over my network to the tiny Sonore microRendu but its interesting to note that outstanding performance can be had in a sub $100 DIY streamer using the Raspberry Pi board. I have a couple of those too.
Roon also supports Qobuz and Tidal streaming so along with my own Library comprised of my CD RIPs, Roon displays albums that I have chosen from the streaming services. It's all very convenient.
Home office setup:
It took me over 10 years to convert my collection of well over 5,000 albums, but about a third were LPs and open reels. That really slows the process!
Of course, I started that process over 15 years ago, well before the streaming services were up and running. Today, I would have converted a lot less of the collection. Basically, I would have limited the process these days to just those rarities and items not available for streaming -- I have a lot of material that was never released commercially, out-of-print and the like. That still would have saved a lot of time!
I can't help you with choices but every transport will sound a little different as will the modes of transmission between it and the dac.
Whether its enough of a difference for you to spend the money is another matter.
I wouldn't put much faith in ASR...seems to be an Oz like character who has rabid followers....he only measures never listens. His followers love to attack anyone who doesn't agree. Odd bunch.
"His followers love to attack anyone who doesn't agree. Odd bunch."
The ASR members need to send their hearing aids to the Amir for measurement.
my understanding is that the only way to guarantee bit perfect playing of music from redbook cd is to rip the content and then play the ripped file, because all redbook CD players/transports will "interpolate" or synthesize bits if they have any read errors while playing.
Whereas ripping is computer operating/file system based, and those systems can never allow interpolation of bits, since even one incorrect bit in a computer file would be unacceptable for non music content.
Am I wrong?
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Redbook CD has a lot of redundancy built in for error recovery. Cross-Interleaved Reed-Solomon Coding (CIRC) can correct up to 4000 consecutive bad bits that is equivalent to 2.5mm of missing data from a CD. Roughly, it does this by adding redndant copies of the music data and chopping it up and interleaving it a way that when de-interleaved missing data can be recovered. If you recall the early days of CD one of the marketing claims, besides 'perfect sound forever', was that you could drill a 2.5mm hole in a CD and it will still play. That is wrong because the laser will lose the track if the bits were physically missing but you could have 2.5mm's worth of bad bits. When you play a CD in real time you are relying on that mechanism to fix any read errors - if an error is larger than can be recovered then interpolation is used and if worse than that the audio will be blanked.
When you rip a CD the same error correction mechanism is in play but the CD drive will recognize if a section is not properly de-interleaved and go back and read it again, and again but if that section of the disk is truly bad then you cannot recover it accurately. Ripping also has the advantage that if you use Accurate rip you can be sure your rip is 100% correct because it is compared to a database.
That last statement says it all. Why bother ripping the CD if there is a database already with perfect copies? They can confirm you own the title and just download it to whatever device you want. It sure beats having to two-way it by copying first, then comparing it by downloading their copy or uploading yours.
I sometimes just don't get audiophoolery.
No, you still have to have the disc and rip it. The database may not actually hold the music data but compare the check sums of previous rips to yours.
"They can confirm you own the title and just download it to whatever device you want. "
This is imaginary right?
There is no service that does this legally right?
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What is compared is the checksum, so the entire reference file does not have to be downloaded for comparison. As you are ripping the CD, a checksum is being calculated. When the rip is finished, that checksum is compared to what others have calculated with the same recording. The checksum is something like 128 bits long.
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