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I'm looking for a possible alternative to my CD player ; I've been out of the loop for years re. Hifi, and after an extensive search for possible options I'm more confused than before .My system is a 47 labs Shigaraki CD player with the Shigaraki DAC, and a Gaincard .
Sounding very nice still, but the CD player is starting to get a little shaky, and things have changed so much in recent years that I'm considering to try something else .Preferably I'd get some simple 'digital transport' solution that provides the best possible sound quality, and can also be plugged into the existing Shigaraki DAC (to save some money ).
Could you give me some pointers on what to look for ?
I've seen SD card players, ones for USB sticks and SSD hard drives, USB - SPDIF converters for computers, Hifi iPod docks, all presumably capable of high quality output .
Also, I have a MacPro as my main computer close to the system, and a couple of older Macbooks that I could use as a dedicated audio player - if that's even an option ( as tried here : http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/musicloverdigital/digital.html )
For the Shigaraki DAC I have these specs :
Input sampling frequency : 32kHz, 44.1kHz, 48kHz (selected automatically)
Output Voltage : 2.1V
Digital Input : 1 S/P DIF unbalanced
Analog Output : 1 pair unbalancedThanks, and Happy New Year !
Edits: 12/31/16Follow Ups:
Hi,
A simple solution would be to use a Google Chromecast Audio or an Apple Airport (seeing you are an Apple PhanBoi) and any device that converts optical SPDIF to electrical for your DAC.
Several suitable products exist (I am sure other inmates can chime in with their preference), several also use different strategies to reduce jitter, but they may jack the cost higher than you are prepared to absorb and several use sample rate conversion to 96kHz which your DAC does not handle without modification.
An alternate solution would be a USB-2-SPDIF converter, again multiple options are available to buy and a suitable long SPDIF cable.
A third option would be a dedicated streamer (from a 2nd Hand Squeezebox via Raspberry Pie etc. based options to high end hardware solutions) with SPDIF output.
It all depends on what you want to achieve.
Ciao T
At 20 bits, you are on the verge of dynamic range covering fly-farts-at-20-feet to untolerable pain. Really, what more could we need?
There are many options to choose from, and since I'm also a Mac user, I'll share my approach. My notion is to use a computer port that is dedicated to the digital signal (shared as a 3.5mm stereo mini-plug headphone jack) rather than use a multi-function USB port which tends to be noise-prone.
The key is to use a state of the art glass digital optical mini-Toslink to Toslink cable such as the Lifatec Silflex Glass Toslink cable from the Apple mini-Toslink digital optical port into a Monarchy Audio DIP (Digital Interface Processor) which reduces jitter, re-clocks the S/PDIF signal, and converts the digital optical interface to a 75 Ohm S/PDIF coaxial output jack or AES/EBU digital output jack for use with any DAC that features a digital coaxial rca input jack, or AES/EBU digital XLR input jack. From that point on, it's up to the downstream audio gear to present the audio signal, including the quality of the digital cable connected to the DAC.
The potential downside depending on your goals is that a USB interface is capable of outputting higher resolution audio files, while the mini-Toslink digital audio output function should be considered equivalent more or less to a high-quality Red Book source component, IME. Musicality is not so terribly dependent on very high-resolution files to be satisfactory, so you'll need to decide how important very high resolution is for your own wants/needs.
Does Lifatec provide a Minimum Bend Radius (MBR) for their glass cable?
I have to be generous and assume they're closed for the holidays, since they aren't currently responding to email.
A few points off for not stating that on their website...
I don't know that particular information, but the Silflex jacket is extremely supple and can be routed with a more severe bend radius than any other Toslink cable I've experienced, and far more than a typical digital coaxial cable, for that matter.
Thanks, that's an interesting approach .
I'm not worried too much about Hi-Res files right now, more about a solution that provides CD quality and maybe a little above, and does deliver a clean, unmolested signal to my DAC .
Speaking of Toslink , my old Macpro actually still has an optical Audio Out .
Hi horst,
Duster gave good advice.. Since you have a Non-os dac with limited sampling rates, Toslink glass cable is a good idea via Macbook.. And an alternative to the Monarchy Audio DIP is the Synchronous IFI Audio SPDIF Ipurifier. It has a hybrid toslink/coax input for reclocking, de-jittering, etc..
You can try that for the price of a cable.
You could rip your CDs to a MAC you already have and get a good audio player software Foobar, JRiver, HQ player or Pure Music and use your existing set up without the spinner. This approach makes a sensible short and long term transition path for small $.
But which one to choose ?
I've done some research on the latest Xmos USB / SpDIF converters, and there's a lot of gear available - mainly chinese - and even more opinions on it .
i use this; works very nicely
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There are smart and experienced people here to help. I run a USB DAC right out of my laptop.
I know it's a minority view but I along with many others find that the sq of a CD transport exceeds that of the digital transports you're contemplating. I'm using a Cambridge CXC CD transport and it's amazingly good. For all other digital sources I use the hdmi output of an SSD netbook (but any computer with hdmi would do) going into a $20 hdmi de-embedder with optical and coax digital output. Kanex is the brand I use. The resulting sq is better than using the computer's USB output.
Thank you, I will look into that !
Sorry, the price of the Kanex is around 60-70 USD. I got mixed up with my $20 ADC!
I noticed, but that's still a fairly cheap solution .
USB to SPDIF converters of 'audiophile' quality can be quite a bit more .
It looks like you are pretty much into NOS territory with your current setup. Do you want to stick with this or move to higher resolutions with computer audio? Generally speaking, if you're staying with NOS and want a new transport, it may be wise to stick with the same mfr. Why not just get a new 47 labs transport (since I don't really know what "shaky" means). The other alternative NOS digital front end system (Transport + Dac) is Audio Note (UK) at a high cost to get the same quality (but different sound).
Thanks; for now, I want to stick with my NOS gear, and just test the waters by adding a digital source that is not a CD player , but offers at least equally high sound quality .
The Shigaraki transport is fine, just had to do a few repairs - sticky buttons, faulty remote sensor, cleaning and such .
You may want to consider a piece of pro gear using Ethernet from one of your computers.
https://us.focusrite.com/ethernet-audio-interfaces/rednet-3
http://www.atterotech.com/products/dante-aes-o/
There will be features that you do not need, and may be a little tricky to setup. But from what I have been reading seems a solid way to get high quality SPDIF from a computer source, even at a considerable distance.
Thanks, looks like another good way to approach this !
You could also upgrade your transport within the 47 labs line.
Well, the Shigaraki is still running, and a Flatfish would be out of my range .
Right now I'm looking for a simple, affordable alternative to a CD player, or something I can use alongside it, without loosing sound quality .
IF mine I'd be replacing the Gain Card Toute Suite :-)
Goalposts have moved far beyond that thing.
You will surprised what most moderne Amps can sound like.
A far bigger upgrade than the CD playback gizmo imo
Quite the bold statement ;) .
You might be right that the Gaincard is obsolte, or maybe not, I don't know .
Either way, if I start looking for a replacement of the entire system, it will take me ages to test and put together new gear, and a lot of money to improve on the sound quality of my 'ancient' gear .
Oh yes, it is obviously obsolete. Send it to me and I will give it a proper burial in my system ...
Dave
Why don't you look into something like Bluesound Node 2 that will plug into your DAC..... Get all your CDs 'ripped' to a Computer Hard Drive and you're Set. Get a Subscription to Spotify and have access to over 25 Million Tracks of Music for $10 a month.
Once you do this, You'll wonder why you didn't do this a few years ago.
Cut-Throat
OK. I'm completely at sea with digital audio, so I'm struggling to parse out what you're saying here.
" Bluesound Node 2 that will plug into your DAC..... Get all your CDs 'ripped'.
I've looked that thing up, and it doesn't appear to play CD's at all. Did I get that wrong?
It looks like just a stramer. Is that right? Or, does it do other stuff?
So, putting together what you're saying, I get the following:
You're saying that one may use ripped CD's [by some unidentified process] PLUS streaming as all of your sound sources? Is that right?
And, you to get streaming, you have to pay for it. And, one source which you can pay for is Spotify, which costs $10/month.
And, the streamer plugs into a DAC.
Final question: would you rip CD's to a computer hard drive just using the computer's disc player, or do you have to pay $$$ for some fancy CD player in order to do the job?
Thanks.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Yes, you can use your CD drive on your computer to "Rip" (Load) them to your hard drive..... Then you can stream Music whether it is on-line or on your hard drive. There is some good software out there to do this. I used DBpowerAmp and it was about $39 or so.
https://secure.dbpoweramp.com/store_purchase.aspx?p=9
So yes you've basically got everything pretty right......
Cut-Throat
t
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Thank you, will look into that !
Hello, horst,
The Bluseound Node 2 is excellent. It has great functionality, build quality and the BluOS is really good as well. It has really enhanced our listening experience. It is also my opinion that it is a very good value as well. Good luck in your new source search.
Cheers,
Scott
I agree with Cut-Throat except that as you live in Germany you have the option of using Qobuz instead of Spotify and the opportunity to stream in CD quality instead of MP3. This option costs more but is worthwhile IMO.
I don't own a Bluesound Note, but I do recommend it for people just getting into Streaming Audio from a Computer. (A Bluesound is a Computer)
A much better and cheaper alternative to the Bluesound Node is the Raspberry Pi 3, at less than $100..... I hesitate a bit to recommend the Pi to those just getting into Computer Audio as it requires a little more thinking than just plugging it in. But, it is still pretty much Child's Play for a rainy afternoon... PiCorePlayer has made it pretty simple. (Link Below)
And LMS running on the Pi is a far superior interface than the Bluesound Note.... You should try a Pi 3 and see for yourself. It is cheap enough that you can't go wrong.
Cut-Throat
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