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In Reply to: RE: CD players going the way of the 8 track posted by jaydacus on June 18, 2012 at 16:47:08
CD players may be dying in the low end, but there's still a market for high end players.
The CD is more likely to go they way of vinyl and become a niche market. The CD has an advantage no other previous format has ever had, CDs can be played on any type of digital disc drive (Blue ray, DVD, CD-rom) so devices that can play them should be available for a long time.
Your 8-track analogy doesn't hold water given how quickly both tapes and players disappeared from the market. The 8-track went away because it was so inferior sonically and reliability-wise, it was not replaced by a more convenient format. I know, I used to own 8-tracks back in the 70s.
>>Have hundreds or even thousands of albums on my PC ready to listen to without having to load, touch, or worry about something skipping is something that I cannot put a price on.<<
I find having a CD/LP as back up to be something I can't put a price on. PCs and back up drives can fail you know. Besides, I don't find the convenience advantage of computer based systems over CDs to be so significant. My CDs are alphabetized and I can find what I'm looking for pretty quick, not as quickly as with an computer/server/I-Pod, but close enough. And if I can't decide what to listen to, no computer will speed that process up. And I treat my CDs well so skipping isn't an issue.
Best regards, Ralph
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There's no doubt computer audio is replacing the CD as the primary music source, but I'm sure it will survive in a niche like vinyl has. I'm eventually taking the computer audio plunge, I just don't need to do it now. But as more and more music is released in download only formats, I will have to make a move. Meanwhile I'll keep buying CDs cheap as more and more people dump their discs. Just like I did with vinyl back in the late 80s early 90s.
Best regards, Ralph
"Vinyl is analog...it will stay......CDs are Digital, so are Hard Drives.....The CD is Dead!"
Finally someone gets it! Exactly what I have been saying from the start. The only reason we still have vinyl hanging around is because it was the best analog technology. The CD WAS the best digital technology up until now. We are at a turning point here.
The people saying that computer based systems never did for them either assumed that the CDs would sound better and so they did or they were doing it wrong. I promise you that a USB based DAC starting at around the 1k price point on a properly configured PC will beat out all but the most exotic $$$$$ CD players.
So yeah, right now there is still a niche for plastic discs at the high end, but as people continue to loose interest they will sell for less and less and eventually find their way to Goodwill. Maybe someday a once 20k CD player will end up on the same dusty shelf as a once $600 DVD player, $700 VCR, or $900 professional 8 Track recorder.
jaydacus said, " I promise you that a USB based DAC starting at around 1K price point on a properly configured PC will beat out all but the most exotic $$$$CD players " LOL. I guess were all entitled to are own opinion, my opinion is pretty much opposite of the above statement.
Never trust anyone that makes promises based own there own personal opinion.
Very narrow minded view Cut Throat. But if you polled a hundred people and asked them what format they listened to music on, you'd find out how close to dead vinyl is.
I listen to both but you'd have to be blind not to no CD is alive and well and always will be.
Now Hard Drives are Cheap...... Solid State Drives are next up. Digital is Digital. What medium you store them on is for Speed, Economy and Convenience.
I have sold all my CD players while they were worth something.
> > The only reason CDs were invented is that Hard Drives were too Expensive........
The "ONLY" reason? Ummm, not quite.
First, the CD was invented in the 1970s and released to the public in 1982. The IBM XT with a 10 MB hard drive didn't come out until 1983 (we bought one that year where I worked at the time.) Hard drive space was far too precious and storage size way too limited to use for music. Note that it would be another 10 years before the MP3 compression codec became available.
Second, hard drive or not, one still needs a way to distribute music to the public. When the CD was released in 1982, dial-up modems with a transfer rate of 1200 baud were the hot rods of the day (many home users still used 300 baud) and your on-line time was charged by the minute.
Downloading an uncompressed music file (no MP3 yet and the zip file didn't exist either at that point) would have been an impossible task with no place to store it if you could get it.
In short, the music CD was a pretty miraculous invention in its day and there simply was no other digital alternative.
So, no need to nit pick.
....All of the reasons you gave were for Cost Savings. Hard Drive space to precious (Read...Expensive)...No way to distribute to the Public (Yes there was, but it was expensive)..
"In short, the music CD was a pretty miraculous invention in its day and there simply was no other digital alternative." (Because of the EXPENSE!)
Hence the CD...
It is always interesting when people get an urge to defend their original post as if it was a complete analysis of a situation.
Your phrase "cost savings" implies there was something an ordinary consumer could have bought in 1982 if it hadn't been so pricey -- kind of like a lot more people would be driving a 2012 BMW 525i if they sold for $20,000 instead of $50,000.
Forget the price -- that was irrelevant. When the CD was introduced in 1982, there was no hard drive alternative available to consumers that had any practical use for music storage. Pretending that the only drawback of a 10 MB drive for music storage was the price tag is silly. Pretending there were consumer HD options available with gigabytes of storage is equally silly, as is suggesting the ordinary consumer any other options for receiving, storing and playing 700 MB of digital music data 30 years ago.
Not only are hard drives cheaper but if you have a decent computer and DAC, you have free digital storage. Storage is likely a good thing to call it for me, I put hundreds of disc's on my I-Mac a couple of years ago and connected it to my main system DAC and haven't listened to music that way more than a few times.
Whats that old saying, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, particularly if that old dog is a stubborn old audio fool like myself. Maybe my ii year old daughter is right when she saids, " come on dad get out of your rut ".
Almost immediate access to any song with the push of a button, and from a remote at that, beats FAST FORWARD and REWIND buttons 24-7-365. Add program capabilities and both formats were nearly done.
Once CD-Rs came into play, tape lost its one advantage -- recording -- to a medium that made a perfect copy (something tape couldn't do).
And so last century. Step up to LED.
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