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In Reply to: RE: Generation Loss? posted by tomservo on April 19, 2017 at 08:42:31
Record's [sic] have another thing CD's don't have, the cartridge on the record is also a microphone of sorts, it's picks up some amount of room sound while playing the record and that goes back for another pass through the system. It isn't much but you can hear it if you put one speaker in another room, put on an old record but not rotating and set the needle down on the lead in. Then turn the volume up to a normal level and have friends talk or the tv on so you can hear how much is coming out of the speaker in the other room. After doing this in the old days, I ended up putting the Thorens on a granite slab on springs and using a brass weight to keep the record down as much as possible.
That's not a fault of the media, its a fault of the playback apparatus, which clearly has problems! Its not that hard to solve that one BTW- my 'table has no issues with that at all.
Its the initial encoding of the audio which is an area where the problem exists. Once there, sure you can copy it endlessly (much to the dismay of the music industry) but the damage was done on the initial encoding and does not seem to be something that the consumer can fix with better gear (although that certainly helps).
Don't get me wrong- I'm not against digital. I want it to work. I'm just pointing out that when the industry does not think it has a problem, it won't do anything to fix it. That's the case and that is why no matter how much we talk about it, the LPs are still around decades on. They're old but not obsolete.
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It was no contest, LP was better than digital in the 80s. But vinyl is still around due to a hobbyist movement. Digital sources, DSP crossovers, etc. are doing the real work and taking us closer to the elusive goal of a live mike-feed.Look at the measurements of LP -inc. speed stability and explain how this could be a high-resolution system. How about inner-groove distortion ?
Strange -as LP 'improved', here comes tape ! The reference (now) for some audio writers.
Even more scary was the finding that 45 and 78rpm records are better sounding than LP. Robert Harley and Jacob Heilbrunn (of TAS) wrote blogs on systems that used 45's (as a source), not LP. Herb Reichert recently made comments in line with these demos.
I had no idea analog recording/LP playback were that bad. Maybe I'm doing too much reading. But most reviewers have given up LP, so my findings can't be too far off...
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what the **** is that?
I believe the change is partly because so much of music is mixed to be played on ear buds and low rate mp3. The recording industry's loudness wars are responding to th every low dynamic range one has in the car or limited systems, they raise the average volume without raising the peak level with compression.
In other words, it is the companies who in effect decided and determine what is popular and implemented through mass marketing. The folks here are the 1% who have been known to sit down and listen as opposed to having musical background entertainment.
Anyone who is working in that direction gets my vote.
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Re-written, but high end *is* a movement. Just has no name.
J. Gordon Holt thought of it as a movement, wanted accuracy and truth, and never listened to LP as such.
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Read his interviews -he used tapes as a reference.
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