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In Reply to: RE: Art Dudley: The Goodness of Your Heart: A Tragedy in One Act posted by Isaak J. Garvey on May 18, 2016 at 08:05:59
I took the article at face value. I took it to show their readers that not everyone operates with integrity. I did not take it as self serving, I could understand why Bill did not want to use the names of the offenders. The fact that these emails exist, was proof enough to share this incident.
I have been reading Stereophile since June of 1993. I also subscribed to Listener, until it ended. Over the years I have exchanged emails with Art, John, and J10. I have a great deal of respect for all the writers at Stereophile. I have to give Stereophile the credit for my education on tbe hi-end. I started by reading Stereo Review and bought in to their specs are everything, which led me to a pricey for 1973 system that was a mismatched, very poor sounding group of components. Stereophile, long before the Internet, taught me a lot.
And as for PS Audio, I think they are one of the best companies out there. Great customer service, good products. I meet Paul at an audio show in Chicago in 1999, when he was just introducing the P300. He was a real gentleman that day, and I never forgot that. Recently I have exchanged emails with Bill, and I found him to be a class act too.
I left the Asylum in around 2003, because of the trolls and the mean spiritedness of some of the members. I came back last year for guidance and knowledge on PC audio. I received a lot of help from some very good people. Now when I go to the PC forum, there is always conflict. To me music is part of what makes life worth living, good equipment brings me closer to that passion. I don't understand why there is so much resentment around here.
I feel like I know JA, Art, Paul, and Bill, while the members here I'm never quite sure about. The open hostility towards Stereophile I don't understand, they have done so much to move forward music and audio gear.
And I find it odd those that question the motives of Art's article while giving 6Moons a pass. That is requiring payment for a review.
And I believe that there are emails to back up what was printed. Those reviewers now know they will have to play fairly, or if need be could be exposed. I think I read that the bribe offered to that other reviewr was done by phone, smart enough not to leave a paper trail.
I think this is another case of killing the messenger. In the past I have mostly trusted unknown professional reviewers, I will be more aware in the future. That alone for me, means the article served a purpose.
"And I find it odd those that question the motives of Art's article while giving 6Moons a pass. That is requiring payment for a review."
Where on earth did 6Moons get a pass? Maybe in THIS thread, as Stereophile published Art's piece, not 6Moons, and Art's piece is the subject of the thread.
6Moons decision to charging for reviews has been discussed at length on any number of Asylum boards.
Could it be that the reason 6Moons appears to get a pass in THIS thread is because WE DON'T KNOW the review site or publication he's talking about?
And because we don't know the review site or publication referenced in the piece, NOBODY gets a pass here (but Stereophile, of course).
We are left to guess. Could be ANYONE (but Stereophile, of course). And as a result, the piece taints EVERYONE (but Stereophile, of course).
Is it wrong to suggest that MIGHT not be an accident?
....and accusations of wrongdoing were being made against a Stereophile writer, and rather than contacting Stereophile, the manufacturer gave the information to the competition, and the competition then published the accusations against the Stereophile writer, how would Stereophile be reacting?
Not that it matters, but I feel very strongly that PSAudio should have contacted the publication involved before turning over private emails to the competition.
Ivan303, I agree with much of what you are saying. And, of course, I have nothing against PSAudio, and would never ask them for any freebies :-)
There is plenty of innuendo floating around but until people name names, nothing will change.
What are the manufacturers afraid of?
They're afraid of being sued. If they had evidence to back up their claims they would win the lawsuit. So perhaps their "truth" won't stand up in court?
..or ezine or even a print publication is going to sue an audio manufacturer who claims he was offered a good review for some compensation.
First of all, other manufacturers have probably been offered the same thing and a single reviewer or ezine doesn't have the more resources than the manufacturer.
So I really don't think there is any excuse for manufacturers not to come forward and name names.
At the very least the manufacturer should tell the editor of whichever publication it is because editor's don't always know what is happening. Even Stereophile has fired writers for being ethically challenged. How long were those writers going under the radar as bad apples?
> We are left to guess. Could be ANYONE (but Stereophile, of course).
> And as a result, the piece taints EVERYONE (but Stereophile, of course).
> Is it wrong to suggest that MIGHT not be an accident?
Dead Horse. Beaten. To Death. What is your problem with Stereophile - did
the late J. Gordon Holt make a pass at your mother when you were in the
I think you clever enough to know what you are doing.
Bill? Not so sure.
Do you REALLY feel that Art's piece is the best way for Stereophile to point out that it maintains a HIGHER standard of ethics regarding reviews than at least one or two other web/print publications?
A point that I, for one, have never doubted nor claimed to doubt.
You dont get to determine what is or is not a "dead horse". The piece in question should never have been run. Your judgement stinks!
You must be so proud of your integrity .. tactics ... judgment!
Bye johns dad.
Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...
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