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In Reply to: RE: I don't disagree about your case with one individual item posted by Sprezza Tura on January 15, 2013 at 10:19:12
I agree with you on that one.. there are other factors involved here, as I mentioned, - but I don't have a point to argue with you on this particular component.
I also think that Magico speakers do not sound that great, but I do understand their retail price. they SHOULD have those retail prices based on their internal components, - but their performance is sub par: at least in my experience. I heard them with VAC amps, so enough said there.
My point is that in some cases, (my CDP/pre manufacturer), things are also priced too low, and need to be adjusted accordingly: (Manley Stingray). It is understandable how "artists" get ego involved, as a musician/songwriter, I've seen some pretty whacky stuff and silliness with bands, songwriters, singers.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
I have an interesting take on Magico.
I think there speakers are highly revealing, and maybe the most transparent to source speaker out there. It is often commented on how they sound so so at shows. I have heard them mostly with very expensive nothing special solid state. The Magico's often reveal what overpriced junk a lot of solid state is. They sound much better with tubes to me.
Now I absolutely think Alon Wolf hyper engineers his products and is one brilliant guy who does not compromise. But...the customer is paying for what is essentially a low volume product. I also think Wolf has lost his bearings and is appealing to those who want to be part of an exclusive club.
You can argue all day if a Q5 is worth as much as a Porsche.
Your Manley example is interesting. I agree, that for a few years, she was under pricing a lot of the products. But I believe a very silly business decision was made to jack up prices by FOURTY percent OVERNIGHT.
My local dealer said it was a death knell for him and he has sold very few pieces since. There should have been gradual increases along the way.
Her justification was "the pro audio guys don't squawk at price increases". Uh, sorry, different market.
It's her business, but I can't imagine raising the price of the Mahis from $2500 to $4000 helped sales.
"I think there speakers are highly revealing, and maybe the most transparent to source speaker out there."
Maybe so, but then if so they should sound exactly like live music when a superb recording is played. There is no question of "revealing" anything. If something was audible in the live performance it should be audible in the playback, otherwise not. If anything else is "revealed" it is an artifact (i.e. defect) in the record - playback process.
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I agree with you..
but "transparent to sources" can also mean revealing the electronic artifacts of the playback system chain as you noted...music server, dac, cd player, turntable, preamp, power amps, cables etc.
I have heard the Magicos half a dozen times shown with mega watt, clinical sounding solid state, and they very much reveal all the silicon haze added to the signal.
The best I have heard them sound was with a SOTA reel to reel playing Tape Project dubs.
Yes, Magico speakers are insanely expensive...the cheapest in the Q series is 30 grand, easily double my expenditure on speakers, but I must admit they are as transparent as anything I have ever heard.
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