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In Reply to: RE: Just because neither you nor I can afford them, why be offended? posted by John Marks on August 08, 2012 at 14:06:19
Not offended. Just turned off. A big waste of time. I can go to the Boston Symphony every night for thebrest of my life for less.
The Wilson room was not one of my favorites. I preferred Music Lovers cheaper Vivid room by a mile: better tonality and subtle micro shadings. Yes, for me. BTW, Stereophile's reviewer continually asked for the sound to be turned up in several rooms. In the smaller Magico room, he got them to raise the volume to the level that blew up the woofer! I could hear the sound from the smaller Magico room 200 feet away. With the door closed!
Who was this reviewer?
Jason Serinus, who is a good writer, and has good ears. Actually he was correct that many times, e.g., in the Magico room, the sound level was too low. He and I expect close to live levels from big systems costing upwards of $500,000. Expecting a small two-way to reproduce the volume of a symphony, going all out, was just too optimistic.
"BTW, Stereophile's reviewer continually asked for the sound to be turned up in several rooms."
LOL! How do you come up with this?
"In the smaller Magico room, he got them to raise the volume to the level that blew up the woofer!"
Stop it! :^)
"I could hear the sound from the smaller Magico room 200 feet away. With the door closed!"
Old School says "BTW, Stereophile's reviewer continually asked for the sound to be turned up in several rooms."
SoulFood says "LOL! How do you come up with this?"
I ask - this sounds like you are calling Old School a liar. Were you at CAS? Old School comes up with this perhaps because he was in the same room as Jason. I shared ONE room with Jason - the TAD room and he asked for them to turn the volume UP. That's 1 for 1. So it is entirely possible that Old School shared more rooms with him.
Unlike Old School I don't think that matters whether he wants it turned up or not - it gets around hearing competing rooms and given classical music tends to have quieter passages it is perfectly reasonable to ask for higher levels or to hear system's capabilities at higher volumes.
Old School came up with that because he was there - were you?
Old School says "In the smaller Magico room, he got them to raise the volume to the level that blew up the woofer!"
You say "Stop it! :^)"
Again the implication here is clearly that you saying Oldschool is a BSer or making stuff up. Jason Serinus states in show report that he felt he blew up the speaker. I was not there so I don't know the severity of the blow - but I heard a woofer problem in the speaker before the last hours of the show so it was either semi-blown before Jason got there or I went in after him. But if they blew outright then they would not have demoed them anymore.
Old school Says "I could hear the sound from the smaller Magico room 200 feet away. With the door closed!"
You say "Never mind."
I say - "you write off his comments as being made up. Well gee. Clearly the woofer was blown." Now if this speaker at a whopping $26,500 pair is worth it's asking price then I would expect the volume to played at such a ridiculous uber crazy volume level in order to blow the woofer. In other words a volume level that could be heard 200 feet away with the door closed.
Just wondering if you were there. The Magico woofer sounded blown to me. At least I hope it was blown for sounding like that.
As for requesting volume turned up - I don't see that as a problem because we each have preferences. Reviewer's tend to stick out so and this is a small show.
If you're insisting Magico was demoing a speaker with a blown woofer as a result of a reviewer, what difference does it make if I was there? I'll take you at your word for now.
"Reviewer's tend to stick out so and this is a small show."
OK I'll bite, what's your point?
Well old school claimed to be in the room with Jason Serinus - that is possible.
The standmount speakers were clearly buzzing in bass passages - that sounded blown to me. Either way it wasn't very good. And when I heard the price I almost laughed at the absurdity.
Actually Jason admits to helping blow the speaker near the end of the show - he didn't - I heard it clearly rubbing well before the end of the show so he may have helped push it over the edge but something was wrong earlier in the day.
You can read him say this here.
"Actually Jason admits to helping blow the speaker near the end of the show - he didn't..."
He didn't, now? You have no shame.
Well if you're a troll I am not sure but I was defending Jason in my post. He thought he had blown the speaker - I don't think that he did - I think it was either already partially blown (it sounded flabby on bass passages and as if it was rubbing) before the last hours of the show.
Jason may have felt guilty for blowing them and I don't believe he did. It may have gone unnoticed at first if he was playing strings. The driver was still physically working when I was there. He may have pushed it over the edge but it didn't go from perfectly working driver to dead stop, smell the sulfer in the room, blown driver.
Regardless - you called out old school for lying. Please tell us how you draw that conclusion. There was clearly something wrong with the woofer - Mr. Serinus stated this in his show report. Seems to me Old School was being truthful.
So what's the problem? The shame here is you calling out posters with no evidence.
"Well if you're a troll I am not sure but I was defending Jason in my post."
If I recognise your defense of Jason, I'm not troll?
"Regardless - you called out old school for lying."
You're the one saying old school, didn't fully understand, what he thought he heard. As you're now saying Jason's assessment was also inaccurate.
"So what's the problem? The shame here is you calling out posters with no evidence."
I've called out no one. You're calling out yourself.
Yes, I was in several rooms where Serinus asked for the volume to be turned up. As I have stated, Serinus was often correct that the sound was at a too low volume. The small Magico room was continually playing music too loud (over 105 db via my Radio Shack meter). RGA is certainly correct that it's extremely hard to compare systems at different volume levels. The MBL, smaller Magico, and Legacy rooms were all playing at way too high levels for me. Many rooms were playing at too low volume levels. Hard to compare. I liked the levels in the Electrocompaniet, Focal, Vivid, Sonist, Acoustic Zen, and Audio/Vision's Kef 50 room. I was very surprised at the effortless way the low power Unison Research amp (reviewed by Sam Tellig in the August Stereophile) drove the Kef 50 speaker. Plus the sound was palpable and tonally ravishing! This is a new speaker to hear for sure, especially in small rooms.
Thanks for clearing that up. What the deal with the blown woofer? It just seems it would be, to obvious to ignore. Perhaps they were having fun just prior to closing. Of course, I'm speculating.
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