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In Reply to: RE: There is an entire spectrum.... posted by John Marks on February 13, 2012 at 15:26:58
WHY can't you buy or borrow one?????????????????
Assuming that the resale value after review is 70%, this should abe affordable except for top-price products.
If you are careful with them, readers may well want to buy a tested unit and pay a premium for it.
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> Assuming that the resale value after review is 70%, this should abe affordable
> except for top-price products.
This has been discussed before on this forum. The danger is that the review
could be criticized on the grounds that it was overly positive in order to drive
up the resale price.
In the case of the Denon 100th Anniversary player, we didn't request a
review sample.We did review two of Denon's 100th Anniversary products;
these have already been discontinued by the manufacturer, we were told
when we compiled the April issue's "Recommended Components" listing..
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
''This has been discussed before on this forum. The danger is that the review could be criticized on the grounds that it was overly positive in order to drive up the resale price''
How does borrowing a unit drive up the resale price? I thought you guys have unshakeable integrity. Most audiophiles are savvy enough not to pay over the odds for a used item.
> How does borrowing a unit drive up the resale price?It doesn't. But as was discussed in the older thread, people would accuse us
of giving a borrowed sample more praise than it deserved so that we could
then resell it for a bigger profit than would otherwise be the case.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 02/16/12
is a ridiculous line of logic.
There is always some kind of 'rationale' for not wanting to do something to break the mould.
> This is a ridiculous line of logic.No, it's what some think might happen if the magazine purchased review
samples. Again, this was discussed some time back on the Asylum. Did you
not read those earlier postings?> There is always some kind of 'rationale' for not wanting to do something to
> break the mould.Look. Your suggestion is not new. It is something that we have thought about
for a long time. On balance, we feel that having review samples on loan is
the optimal strategy for a magazine that publishes reviews. We are not alone
in this belief - other than Consumer Reports, all other magazines do likewise.And in any case, this is not relevant to the thread. As I pointed out earlier,
Denon didn't refuse to supply a review sample, which would require us
borrowing or purchasing a review sample, we didn't ask for a sample. As i
also pointed out to you, we _did_ review two other Denon 100th Anniversary
products, as well as a Denon receiver, so we haven't been ignoring the brand.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 02/19/12
Cuz I think it's really sad that these monster sized companies like Denon, that make some really awesome products for their own Japanese markets as well as those in the UK, don't send those same products to North America.
It can't be that they could not compete on a price vs performace scale...so what is it?
I wonder if any of the anniversary players would be left to buy if a review had given it due praise?
Audio magazines and the reviewers writing the articles have a huge influence on what is sought after and those products that are ignored. I would hope that most folks only use reviews as a reason to search out a product for their own review, but my point is that Stereophile and other audio mags are a source of info to get rolling with.
A quick look at a site like Hifido will give anyone good insight to products that we will never see, but are the cats meow for the markets they feed.
Anyway...that's my rant for this morning!
Rick.
Ne need to,. The issue is not that Denon would not send it for review, but
that we didn't request a sample. If we did, I am sure they would send it.
Still pondering whether we should or not.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
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