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In Reply to: RE: You know what posted by Pat D on March 03, 2011 at 19:26:09
...everybody has their own opinions.
And that's what I believe this forum was set up to discuss.
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I watched the videos of HP's Keynote addresses to RMAF 2009 and heard him expound on observational listening, something you have never managed to explain. If E-stat's remarks accurately reflect HP's review of the Kef 104, it didn't work all that well.
I think HP's keynote speeches were best on marketing and reaching out to those using the new digital technologies.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
...observational reviewing from my past posts about it, then you haven't been paying attention.
I've always described it as being an objective process, comparing what you hear to a reference - live music - and describing the differences.
Then adding a subjective component to it - whether it fits with your personal listening biases or not, i.e. do you like how it sounds.
I haven't seen that clip of HP in a couple of years, so I don't recall what he said about it.
Still the best advice in audio. How a component is supposed to sound pales in comparison to how it actually sounds.
"How a component is supposed to sound pales in comparison to how it actually sounds."
Who says otherwise?
Wilma Cozart Fine was talking about making recordings, not reviewing equipment. I have no idea what sort of controls she used to remaster the old Mercury recordings for CD or whether she ever used blind testing. I suspect any differences she was concerned with were well above thresholds.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
I was referring to HP's speech that you linked. If the measurements crowd claim that a component should sound like one thing and it sounds like another, there's a problem with the measurements somewhere.
Sorry - how did Wilma Cozart Fine enter into the discussion? If you made an earlier point about her, I missed it.
HP quoted Wilma Cozart Fine in one of the Keynote addresses.
Measurements by themselves do not say anything about audibility. To do that, they must be correlated with controlled listening tests to find some sorts of thresholds.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Went back and caught that the second time around.
> Measurements by themselves do not say anything about audibility. To do that, they must be correlated with controlled listening tests to find some sorts of thresholds. <
Aside from our definitions of "controlled", we agree.
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