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The June issue of ST looks to be good one! While I've only read a few equipment related articles they have been good and a quick skim of the Andrew Hill and Belle & Sebastian articles suggest much good stuff ahead. A few thing before getting to the subject however.One highlight for me was reading Wes Phillips' take on the Harvey "Gizmo" Rosenberg's preparatory instructions for using the original Moscode amplifier. It literally made me roar in laughter. I only wish a little of Gizmo's DNA could be recovered for cloning, the idea being to assign a dedicated Gizmo to each anti-hobby retard to bring them around; I'm no sadistic however, and thus recognizing that were talking mission impossible in most cases, each Gizmo would be relieved of duties after 6 months to do whatever he pleased (which, I'll admit it, is actually a selfish motive ... if you know what I mean).
Dudley's enthusiasm for the Rega Apollo CDP was nice to see, especially given the price of the player and the fact that I'm inclined to trust his impressions. However, to be totally honest, to be convinced that the player was something special I would require his view on a Jolida JD100; with a good power cord and some cheap isolation devices the price should be about spot on with the Apollo. If after an audition, even a brief and informal one, of the JD100 he came back and said the Apollo was as good, let alone better, then I'd get excited. I'm sure there are others that have discovered inexpensive (mostly Far East or US designed/Far East manufactured) CD Players that they'd like to see enter the fray.
Now moving onto the subject. Well actually first let me say that that JA's review of the Snell LCR7 was pretty good, or perhaps I should say he's getting better at *not* sounding like the "Man As Extension of Test Apparatus" reviewer. This is mostly, IME, because he included a good bit of material about his own recording activities, relating those to the evaluation of the speakers - great stuff! This is theme he should exploit to a significantly greater degree IMHO. In fact this would lend a uniqueness to his reviews, giving him a leg-up on the competition, on just about anyone actually.
But his comments at the end of the EICO HF-81 measurement section irked me to no end. I haven't read the full specs. section, nor the full review. However, his puzzlement, given the measurements, over " ... why so many audiophiles regard it as one of the best-sounding amplifiers of the 'Golden-Age'" is very nearly incredulous to my mind, or at least I would think that the course of action to investigate the mystery should be completely obvious to any SF reviewer, let alone the Editor! I won't insult anyone here by stating the obvious.
This sort of thing only reinforces my impression that SF seems to be bending to demands of objectivists and anti-hobby retards more and more these days. I recall another recent review in which the reviewer, while listing associated gear he thought would work well with the DUT, said something like "and dear I say" (or something similar) when touching on the topic of cables. I couldn't believe it! A SF reviewer of all people dancing around the cable issue!
My 2 cents.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
Follow Ups:
"No Guru, No Method, No Teacher"An unfortunate admission inasmuch as you promise us near the end of your post that "I won't insult anyone here by stating the obvious." Sloppy writing usually indicates sloppy thinking. Of course, it's entirely possible that your propensity for self-contradiction stems not from diminished intellect, but from a lack of resolve. In which case you would appear to possess all the willpower of a three-hundred-pound charter member of “Overeaters Anonymous.” JHYO
Seriously, instead of musing about the nefarious motivations of Mr. Atkinson vis-ŕ-vis his Eico comments, perhaps a more revealing view of the journal's listening philosophy can be gleaned from “As We See It.” Wherein Jason V. Serinus notes that he was able to discover some defective tubes in his amp (immediately) because “I know the sounds of artists and instruments are capable of making at their best. I’ve accumulated a reservoir of sonic memories … Without it I’d be listening blind. {read: in ignorance} Which just may be what helps many who peddle distinctly colored and artificially hyped sound stay in business.”
Another revealing snippet: “I might have proceeded as do an increasing number of Americans: clueless that what passes for music is nothing more than an aggregation of pitch, rhythm, noise and distortion.”
I'm at a loss to understand why you would consider the object of your musings more important than mine, especially as there seems not to be an obvious relationship between the two; mine related to the measurements issue, yours a comment in the value of the live music reference ... and BTW, I don't disagree with you on that point, yet the example you site seem rather an exaggeration, i.e. are we going to suppose that fans of predominately amplified music would be at a loss to detect something being off in their systems?Of course resort to selfish motivation provides an answer to the question of the primacy of your interests, but if I may be allowed to comment based on recent experience, such an justification carries with it the risk of irking others.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
While I used to support the idea that when measurements and sound correspond, I would be more impressed, in this instance having heard the amp at CES and being very impressed, I saw the reviewer caving into JA's pressures. And I decided that sound must come first, not measurements because they fail to capture what is valid in assessing the performance of equipment. This was my final nail in the coffin of Stereophile.
"This sort of thing only reinforces my impression that SF seems to be bending to demands of objectivists and anti-hobby retards more and more these days"You mean SF is bending to demands of BOTH objectivists as well as anti-hobby retards such as you? You seem to enjoy the magazine.
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Like for example when something measures good there's no surprise the reviewer found it sounds good, and conversely, when something doesn't measure good and the reviewer found it sounds good then the reviewer is probably "wrong".With that as theoretical backdrop you statement ...
"I find that measurements do correlate very well with the listening almost always, once you know what to look for."
(http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=critics&n=20889&highlight=bias+bjh&r=&session=)... makes perfect sense.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
...I'm sorry we have so few things in common.Go listen to some frickin' good music and quench your thirst. Today is Blues day!!!!!!
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"I'm sorry we have so few things in common"Add one more.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
Now that explains a lot...
"The Audio Asylum is a free,
independent resource"
because it's not a bible of any sorts, it's only a stereo mag!That said, it's important enough to have "irked you to no end".
Did it "irked" you enough to critique the critic ...
> > I should say he's getting better at *not* sounding like the "Man As Extension of Test Apparatus" reviewer ... in fact this would lend a uniqueness to his reviews, giving him a leg-up on the competition, on just about anyone actually < <
Your saying that JA has the potential, but that he needs to follow your advice?
> > Dudley's enthusiasm for the Rega Apollo CDP was nice to see, especially given the price of the player and the fact that I'm inclined to trust his impressions. However, to be totally honest, to be convinced that the player was something special I would require his view on a Jolida JD100; with a good power cord and some cheap isolation devices the price should be about spot on with the Apollo. If after an audition, even a brief and informal one, of the JD100 he came back and said the Apollo was as good, let alone better, then I'd get excited. < <
Do you think it's important for Art or any reviewer to convince all his/her readers? Is this your "requirement"? Does Art need to run out and do this very comparison for your "excitement" justification?
Listen, why don't you take the inititive, why don't go with your JD100 to Rob's back room and do the comparison with the rega yourself.
That way, not only can enlighten JA on his writing skills, you can also enlighten Art on his review process.
TBone
"Your saying that JA has the potential, but that he needs to follow your advice?"Why of course I think that, why the hell would I bother saying so if I didn't?
"Do you think it's important for Art or any reviewer to convince all his/her readers? Is this your 'requirement'? Does Art need to run out and do this very comparison for your "excitement" justification?"
Well the ideal does appear to me to something very akin to Art and the other reviewers doing everything in their power to entertain me, to meet my requirements. However, I am trying to be nice about it, to use gentle persuasion, making suggestions, etc.
Now that said, I'll freely admit that there is a limit to my patience! So sure, if the kinder gentler methods fail to produce the desired effect, then yeah! ... I'll just bloody well tell them exactly what to do!
Now, just in case you think I jest let me demonstrate. Take you for example, I find you to be an incorrigible little snot, after all you're only over here being a nuisance because you had a little accident at Vinyl today and I rubbed you nose in it, and hence let there be no doubt that I demand in no uncertain terms that you ... Piss Off
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No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
thx for your reply, at either forum, your silly responses says it all!> > Piss Off < <
Your so authoritive.
I rest my case.
TBone
When I read JA saying something like that, I take it to mean that that amp so differs from what other excellent amps measure like, and what crap amps measure like, that these measurements don't fit what he usually sees in associatiion with perceived "good performance."I think he's merely stating a paradox, not pandering to meter thumpers.
His conclusion should make us, as readers, really ponder how we'd match this amp up with other components before we run out and toss money at it. Not that we shouldn't buy one if we like it, he's just pointing out idiosyncracies that we should should be aware of. As a consumer, that was almost a perfect review. Listening is the bulk of the review, but possible issues exist which may affect your experience at home.
Trying to match measurements with listening is a fascinating endeavor, and JA comes across as wholey (spelling?) sincere when he can't find a reasonable correlation. Especially correlations that are usually present!
I agree. The measurements sections aren't pandering to anyone. If pandering indeed there is in the mag I see it in the body of the actual reviews at times. And there it is to subjectivists and mfgrs if to anybody.
nt.
For sheer entertainment(which is why I subscribe), it's worth twice what they charge.
"If it ain't music, it might as well be a barkin' dog"
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