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In Reply to: M. Fremer on "Digital disaster", suggestion to Stereophile posted by KlausR. on November 11, 2005 at 23:55:29:
... it's obvious that you're not going to win any converts among vinylphiles.Read our lips: We. Don't. Care.
So if you choose to go ahead and set forth your vinyl-is-flawed arguments at length, be aware that the only ones nodding their heads in agreement will be the already converted. While the ranks of vinyl lovers continue to increase, like it or not. And that those of us who willing to put up with all the, yes, problems and issues of vinyl and prefer it to digital anyway will continue to enjoy ourselves. We may also enjoy digital -- I know I do -- without preferring it. That's just the way it is.
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Where did I try to convert vinyl lovers? Heck, you are the native speakers, not me!!!I thought it to be an interesting exercise for a writer to have a closer look into vinyl technology and present the stuff in a comprehensive manner to the layman. I read the papers I was mentioning, did that make me throw my LPs away? No, but I consider the format for what it is, no more, no less, but certainly not as golden calf.
Klaus
I just can't figure out where are the "laymen" you hope to reach, and why, since the vinylphiles won't care. Are you afraid we will somehow subvert these poor helpless newbies? That there's a whole generation out there who don't know any better and must be saved from the wicked black discs."The truth will set them free." Is that it?
about all that ranting about how bad digital is? 650 million owners of a CD player?I for one, when being asked by a newbie whether or not it's worthwile taking the vinyl dive, tell him that he'd better not take it unless there's plenty of his favorite music available only on vinyl. Vinyl was the format of the 50+, the kids from today want downloadable stuff or CDs. Fast access, mail the tunes to your buddy over in central Asia.
All of the collegues of my age have a record player and LPs, but stored somewhere on the attic. That is the reality, their kids will never see any black discs in their parents' house.
And no, you did not read me just fine.
Klaus
Obviously, digital and analogue both have their advantages and drawbacks, and which one you prefer is in the end a matter of personal subjective taste. Also obviously,for better or for worse, the market has mainly chosen digital audio formats. Michael Fremer would like the vinyl LP format to survive, and tries to encourage and promote it as much as possible. He is not trying to provide a "balanced" perspective, although he certainly knows about and acknowledges the shortcomings of the LP.There are plenty of other writers around promoting the digital formats. If those people felt that LPs were a threat to their formats of choice, they would write all about the problems with LPs. But obviously, most of them don't feel LPs are a threat. Why continue to fight about any of this?
So what if your collegues store Lps and vinyl in their attic. How does that relate to a blanket opinion about vinyl, past present and future? I fight the "disposable world" mentality with my 6 & 8 year olds everyday, but they know about records and how to work the turntable. Convienience is always a strong pull from quality. What's interesting is that during the "Golden" years of audio the best sounding equipment was, all but interchangable (no special cables, risers, room treatments). It was only after CD arrived that marketing of unneccesary tweaks blossomed (remember the green pen?). I love digital.........for video.
"If it ain't music, it might as well be a barkin' dog"
That will probably come as news to all the independent rock labels that sell vinyl. Check out Hopeless Records, Gearhead, Epitath, Sympathy For The Record Industry, Dionysus, Asian Man, Rip Off, and New Day Rising, to cite just a few. For some reason I doubt that many "50+" (besides me!) are buying LPs by Electric Eel Shock, Stereophonic Space Sound Unlimited, Anti - Flag, and The Queers.
I am 45, and although it was big with in the day with the now with the "over 35 crowd", i sell LPs at record shows and the majority of the buyers are under that age much to my surprise, in fact the biggest age group is 15-25 i would say, and they buy a lot of 70s clasic rock! same from what i see in used LP stores. it is fairly some number that are over 50.
CD : 766 million
LP : 1,3 millionSACD: 0.79 million
DVD-A: 0.35 millionsHow many LPs were sold in 1975?
Answer: nothing. Nobody's claiming that LPs outsell CDs, so put away your silly irrelevant straw man. The point is that there is a vast world of new music on vinyl that is bought by younger music lovers, not baby boomers. We haven't even mentioned 12" singles which probably outsell LPs. Also, the RIAA's sales figures only include sales by RIAA members. Many of the independent rock labels are not RIAA members.
Not arguing at all that CD sales don't far outstrip LP and hi-res digital, but my understanding is that the typical published figures (like those posted) do not include the Internet sellers (e.g., Music Direct, Acoustic Sounds, etc.) where many or most of today's LP sales originate. Does anyone know?
by sold units shipped to distributors and others net of any returns. So yes, it would include retail sources like Music Direct. It would not include sources like Maple Shade and similar shops.
That's a good point. However, I'd suspect that both numbers would increase, not just lp sales. Lp sales probably would increase a bit more, but nothing significant.
"If it ain't music, it might as well be a barkin' dog"
That there's not enough of it, and won't be. What else is new? Oh, yes, it's far from perfect. Duh.Whatever turns you on. Keep fighting the anti-digital-ranter hordes Don't let 'em get you down. Peace. :-)
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