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John over in my thread in digital is telling me I shouldn't get the SACD machine I'm interested in. He says I need to hear what DSD 128 and 256 sound like. I'm pretty sure the player I'm looking at has that capability via the USB input into the DAC. My question here is, where does one fine classical downloads like that? I'm new to the download option, so I have no idea where those are found. Need new material to test out the player's capability when I get it.
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You can upsample PCM and DSD 64 to DSD 128 and 256 with HQ and Audirvana.
What SACD Player do you have in mind?
Some, like Marantz upsample all CDs and SACDs to higher rate DSD.
I'd love on of the Marantz's Players, and use the Dac w/Software.
I must add that although one can upsample resolutions this does not add any additional information and that therefore a 16/44.1 file upsampled to 24/96 is not the same as a native 24/96 file. The main advantage of upsampling appears to be that it places the digital filter further out of the audio band ( or in Marantz' 11.2 MHz DSD upsampling implementation effectively gets rid of a digital filter altogether).
"We need less, but better" - Dieter Rams
I'm close, very close to buying a KI Ruby. SA-10 is a little much for me.
Another reason I use HQ!
They've got DSD 128, 256 and even 512, as well as DXD files (i.e., 24/352.8 PCM). I have a fair number of DSD 256 files myself, and even more DXD files, and they almost always sound magnificent.
Thanks, They've got a few things I could try. The Gatti RCO Mahler 1, always like the Dutch. I see lots of Channel Classics in there as well, like the Ivan Fischer recordings, I have some of them already so I could compare and see if I have audiophile ears.
Narrator: He doesn't in fact have audiophile ears...
They're about to release a new album by their staff babe violinist, Rosanne Philippens, playing and conducting Haydn and Stravinsky with a newly formed orchestra. It will be available in (among other things!) DXD, DSD 64, 128, 256, 512, and (ulp!) 1024! Where's it all gonna end??? ;-)
2 little snips.
I know. John Ellison tells me I need to wait for a Fiio player to be released, but there will always be something more...always. I think I'll be good with the 256 the Ruby will get me. Chasing digital is a fools errand.
512 and 1024 are 2Ch only in any case (at least at this point).
" and they almost always sound magnificent."
Yes Chris but that is because the companies that go to the trouble of producing recordings with those formats tend to be audiophile orientated in the first place. It is always how the recording has been engineered in terms of microphone selection and placement etc, irrespective of the file resolution selected by recordist or consumer, that is the trump card.
As for the difference between the resolutions I think it is far, far less than commonly asserted. I have the recent Handel Op.3 and Op.6 Concert Grossi recordings on Pentatone purchased from Native DSD in DSD 64, DSD 128 and DXD formats. Playing them back to back it would be metaphorically hard to insert a cigarette paper between them. There is no slam dunk winner for SQ. IMO any variations that exist to the extent that they would result in forming a preference are just as likely to be down to the equipment that the listener is using and its relative ability to handle the different formats. Additionally not too many users understand that most DSD "capable" DACs cannot process native DSD and convert it to PCM first. What value DSD v.PCM opinions then?
"We need less, but better" - Dieter Rams
The fact remains though that the highest rez recordings do tend to be rather magnificent! ;-)
Chord Dacs do convert DSD to PCM.
I wouldn't buy a Dac that does that, tho I don't know what other Dacs do that too.
Miska from HQ says the DAC shouldn't do ANY processing, just playing back what the Software feeds it.
Looks like the Marantz I'm interested does some processing, "PCM and DXD inputs are up-converted to DSD at 11.2MHz"
I don't see any reference to processing of the DSD files.
" I don't see any reference to processing of the DSD files."
Yes, everything is converted to DSD 11.2MHz ( i.e. DSD 256). Marantz term this " Marantz Music Mastering" and with all of their current SACD players ( as available in the UK - Marantz have slightly different product catalogues for the USA) they say that " a standard DSD signal is passed to MMM". So in layman's terms DSD64 is upsampled to DSD256 ( as are all PCM signals).
Whether that is a good or bad thing is up to you . I am merely pointing out that it makes subjective PCM v. DSD comparisons pretty meaningless as you can only hear DSD.
"We need less, but better" - Dieter Rams
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