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In Reply to: RE: Listening to Rach Concerto Three......... posted by Todd Krieger on September 09, 2021 at 14:47:20
"The piano technician, who took care of the piano for Yuja, is really fantastic. Both his work and Yuja's playing in the first place are essential for the sound, even if it didn't come across in the hall.
I didn't use any pitch correction, and there's not really a secret tool involved here. It's about carefully balancing all the natural ingredients..."
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I don't know why you brought up "pitch" in the first place, in reference to this particular album...... (The fact you brought it up made me suspicious that there would have been some sort of enhancement.... But in listening, I didn't notice anything.)
I've heard better performances of the Rach Concerto Three, but it was still decent, and the recording was very nice in most part.
I did take in the first movement of the Prok Concerto Two.... Since this is a work I'm not overly familiar with, Yuja, Dudamel, and the SBYSO seem a little more impressive than with the Rach..... The recording is better too..... The stereo spread with the Prok concerto is a lot more convincing.....
I really don't have that much more to say...... If I'm in the right mood, I might listen to this CD again.
because the piano could not stay in tune
"because the piano could not stay in tune"
Interesting.....
I've never encountered a performance in which the piano had noticeably drifted out-of tune (aside from strings breaking completely)...... Most notes on a piano have multiple strings.... When a piano goes out of tune, one of a note's strings drifts "flat," creating a "vibrato" or "honky tonk" effect on the played note.... I don't know if Auto-Tune or other pitch correction software could even fix this, the note itself does not entirely go "flat."
Although I have seen stories of this problem with Bosendorfer pianos...... (I've heard the strings in a symphony orchestra drift out of tune during a performance, but not so much the piano. Although I once encountered a harp going out-of-tune during a performance.... Most times I encounter a video with a piano that's out-of-tune, it was already out-of-tune. The piano in the linked video has a note that was noticeably out-of-tune.)
I don't recall Auto-Tune being used for that purpose. Unless the piano was tuned flat or sharp relative to the orchestra's tuning. (This would only happen if soloist and orchestra were recorded in separate takes.)
"I've never encountered a performance in which the piano had noticeably drifted out-of tune (aside from strings breaking completely)...... Most notes on a piano have multiple strings.... When a piano goes out of tune, one of a note's strings drifts "flat," creating a "vibrato" or "honky tonk" effect on the played note.... I don't know if Auto-Tune or other pitch correction software could even fix this, the note itself does not entirely go "flat.""
This was a unique situation. It was Venezuela, a very hot and humid environment and the piano had never been stored in a controlled environment.It was virtually dead on arrival. The piano tech spent four days practically rebuilding it. It simply could not stay in tune for long periods of time. All Steinway Ds drift pretty quickly regardless of their age or weathering. But they generally can hold their tuning for a few hours. This one could not consistantly do so. The solution was editing. 3 live performances, a taped rehersal and a patch session gave them the material needed to avoid any parts where the piano went out of tune.
I was not sure how they would address the issue. So I thought they might resort to adjusting the pitch in spots
It seems like you had some close ties over there.... You must be distraught over what has since happened to SBYSO and El Sistema............
I knew things had gotten bad and that a lot of their members had jumped ship. But I really have not kept up on what is going on.It's hard to tell if there still is an orchestra or not at this point. but if there is it isn't the same as it was just a few years ago.
My ties or with Yuja who is a very close friend of mine.
I just hope the country of Venezuela somehow recovers from the stranglehold of the Maduro regime...... I know a few people from there, and none are happy.
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