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In Reply to: RE: That particular comment may have been a tad myopic posted by Analog Scott on August 29, 2021 at 08:28:35
an elitist, out-of-touch art form?The perception issue: music by long-dead white guys played by geezers in black dress-up. From what is reported in the press, perhaps accelerated by Covid, I get the impression there may be a life-and-death situation rapidly approaching for the industry.
"The decline of classical music's visibility in the mainstream media is a blow to an art that's struggling to draw audiences. ... The National Endowment for the Arts reports 11.6 percent of adults in the United States attended a classical music performance in 2002. By 2017, that number had dropped to 8.6 percent.May 20, 2019 bu.ed
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Classical music is alive and well. Thank you very little.
So what less American adults attend the concerts? It is thriving in other parts of the world, especially in the east Asia where it's appreciated, enjoyed, and studied by tens of millions of kids. There will be no shortage of talents, new artists and the audience for generations to come
All you need to know about young people today and classical music is 12 year old girls singing Nessun Dorma off key to standing ovations and Golden Buzzers.
There's no virtue in being old,
it just takes a long time
of course, the wealthy alone have kept the prominent orchestras in large cities afloat, for many years. Living in the US, I am concerned about the viability of live concerts and venues.
You're not concerned about anything except how woke the classical music world is.
If caring how a business--- or industry--- operates is important, then yes, I'm woke as hell.
yeah, some markets have suffered but that is more a function of the region than classical music per se. Other regions are thriving. Los Angeles is doing very very very well.
Until seeing your posts, I've never known anyone who viewed classical music as something performed by and/or for "white guys"...........
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Out of curiosity, I did a search for 'classical music "white guys"' on Twitter (link).....
With the millions upon millions of tweets on that platform (with a good portion of them discussing race), this subject has come up only 13 times in the year 2021..... And none of those 13 tweets have had more than three responses.......
(There were only 33 such tweets in the year 2020, and only one lengthy discussion......)
That's fewer than the number of posts on the subject that you alone have put up on AA this year..... [-;
in this country, that it is a genre for OLD WHITE PEOPLE, overwhelmingly: only the blind would agree that. This forum is a great example, with the fact ZERO women participate yet another example of exclusivity.Classical music is the LEAST favorite music in the US, by far.
Frankly, I don't care about the popularity question, except as far as it impacts the longevity of the art. The expanding inclusion of women and people of color is a great recent development, though a ceiling exists for conductors/music directors. How else to explain the large numbers of those orchestra/soloist players vs those positions?
There are historical reasons, of course, for the whiteness of this art form; specifically, the European roots. But it's been a long time since the exportation of this wonderful music tradition to the US and non-European nations--- and high time to continue more forcefully to be inclusive.
Why not just let it happen? Because perceptions and history make folks concerned about being rejected after years of work. That is why there exist so many programs of out-reach. Imagine yourself, if you're a white guy, going to interview at an all black organization that has never employed a white guy--- and you knowing full well that race relations in this country are... less than ideal.
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....you're trying to frame anything imaginable as "racist".......
As what a bird once told me: If your only tool is the race card, everything looks like a "racist".......
"I know you are, but what am I!"
breathless example of self-unawareness.
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But I'm confused: what's the "you are!"? (I'm only trying to understand.)
I thought the smiley face an appropriate touch.
I wouldn't begin to know what you're referring to, but. . . whatever.
Other than that, I have only this to say:
You can be a mean guy! If caring how a business--- or industry--- operates is important, then, yes, I'm unwoke as hell. ;-)
Man, you're such a poor little victim.
IGNORE him! Sooner or later he'll tire of it, and go into one of the other forums and start crap...He's a one trick pony. Too bad he doesn't take a sabbatical like he did before, it was pleasant around the place when he was gone.
the imminent death of classical music has been upon us for about 100+ years now. I don't put much stock in it. No doubt the Asian fan base has done a great deal of good.
We are very far removed at this point from piano technique. I would suggest starting a new thread on this topic
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