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In Reply to: RE: Music vs. "sound effects" in film posted by peppy m. on April 20, 2021 at 16:02:41
But I've heard those Ligeti "tone cluster" choral works on record and in concert, with no "2001" images, and I still felt that they were pretty interesting. At first, it was hard to disassociate the music from my memories of the cinematic images, but eventually, that association began to fade as I started to focus more and more on just what it was that the composer and performers were doing - how the notes moved within the overal texture, etc. OTOH, Ligeti wrote a lot of music, and his "tone cluster" period is not my favorite period of his development, even though I do find all of these works interesting.
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The musical sensibilities of some modern classical music composers seemed so wonderfully different from the older strains that, at first, I couldn't own enough "20th century classical" recordings. But gradually the feeling of awe subsided and morphed into disinterest.It's not that a lot of that stuff isn't obviously very good or even great at being what it is. It's just that I now think that "what it is" all too often has more to do with mindful musical experimentation, and while this kind of thing might at first can seem supremely "creative", "adventurous", etc.., it eventually seems sort of "empty", and maybe even "cowardly" too.
Anyway, I still own hundreds of recordings featuring the music of modern musical masters but I can't seem to make myself give most of them a second or third listen, the way I might with more traditional classical music recordings that have better withstood the test of time. I'm hanging on to these modern recordings for now in the hopes that my feelings will eventually change, once again. But so much of that music seems intellectually robust while lacking in feeling. * Therein* is the problem, for me.
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The simple truth is that most "average" classical music listeners have been burned by exposure to the music of the Second Vienna School and the post-Webern serialists. Despite academics and critics telling them how "good" this music was, it set most classical listeners against "modern music" even when serial music reached its inevitable dead end. And the inertial opposition to "modern music" still persists even though later modern composers at the end of the twentieth century (minimalists, etc.) began to write in a less audience-hostile way. At least that's the way I see it.
All down hill from Adams' Harmonielehre, (sp). Rapturous applause when I heard it live at Davies. I like some of Ingram Marshall's music.
I may have to try Glass again, after hearing the Olafsson's Glassworks.
Higdon, Theofanidis, and Bates, that new young guy who mixes "beats" with orchestra, can't remember his damn name. I listened in vain to his Violin concerto which was coupled with Meyer's Barber VC.
I need to investigate Solonen's music.
I can't think of any other tonal superstars off the top of my head.
Speaking of the composer Meyer I do like his "down home" music.
I know of some the modern composers you mention. Not all modern composers are uninteresting to me but most of the ones that are don't often sound very "modern".There is a certain way of uniting sounds and musical phrases that escapes our modern minds. This mysterious way of composing music was once the hallmark of the best old classical composers. This mysterious way seemed to better take into account the totality of life experience at the same time that it was able to speak of individualistic concerns.
I cannot adequately define exactly what this "way" is (sorry!), yet I can clearly sense it in the works of the older classicists. I am trying to identify the major characteristics of this "way" in an adequate fashion but so far I have failed in doing so. Perhaps it is all hidden from plain view, for some strange reason...
But all too often the feeling for doing things this "way" seems to escape our modern minds.
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Though there are other branches I've likely forgotten about at the moment. Is Solonen post-Lutoslawskian?I forgot late Rautavaara, very colorful and imaginative.
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I forget - did you also mention the "holy minimalists" like Part? Some of those works can be pretty good too.
I frequent r/classical where many young composers post their latest creations, either on piano, synthesized orchestra or full orchestra or chamber/trio, etc.
Below is one of the few pieces that I've actually listened to more than once:
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