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In Reply to: RE: Buchbinder Beethoven PC No. 1 posted by Mats Gunnars on October 12, 2020 at 14:51:40
My favorite performance of this concerto was Lars Vogt with either Simon Rattle conducting Berlin Philharmonic or Herbert Blomstedt conducting Orchestre de Paris..... The latter was once on YouTube, but taken down....... (What I remember about the Blomstedt performance was that Vogt ate up the accompaniment..... It was electric. Amazon offers a video subscription service which the video of this performance would be available.)There is a performance on YouTube with Vogt performing the Concerto with Mariss Jansons, and also a studio recording with Rattle with City of Birmingham SO, but these performances weren't quite at that level.....
So for YouTube, I'll have to settle for Krystian Zimmerman doing both the solo and conductor with the Vienna Philharmonic.......
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Also: Richter/Munch/BSO and Fleisher/Szell/Cleveland.
I prefer the Emil Gilels performance with Szell.... I thought Szell's accompaniment was somewhat "stiff" with this concerto..... (This was a complaint I've had with Szell with Beethoven in general.)
I'll have to check out the Richter/Munch/BSO..... Not familiar with that one......
At first listen the Munch/BSO/Richter is a winner as well..... This is a rare Richter recording which is sonically top drawer...... I have a good first impression with Munch's accompaniment as well..... (The BSO was one of the all time great orchestras at the time.) Must be one of those great RCA recordings........ (This might be a candidate for a vinyl purchase.)
It's available on CD, and it's a fine performance. I used to have it on a Victrola LP. I just ordered a used CD copy from Amazon.
(The version I currently have - although, unlike the one shown below, my XRCD is not an SHM CD.)
. . . I was thinking more of Fleisher's clearer (to me anyway) phrasing and articulation. I should listen to the Gilels performance again however.
I like Fleisher with later romantics...... His performances of the Schumann and Grieg Concertos with Szell/Cleveland are some of the best to make recording. (I think Rudolf Serkin owns the Brahms concertos..... Unequaled in my opinion.)
....just love it when you let your knowledge flow so generously.
A nice playlist taking shape on Primephonic, and a $6 VG+
Richter / Munch LP purchase on Discogs.
-Mats
Claudio Arrau recorded all the Beethoven piano concertos with Haitink and the Concertgebouw on Philips label. Arrau does justice to everything he recorded (my opinion).
There is also a set of Beethoven piano concertos with Vladimir Ashkenazy. While he plays them well, the recordings are often either too bright or too closely mic'ed. Not always a sonic delight.
The early Vox set with Brendel and Wilfried Boettcher (also Mehta and Wallberg) was my first set of these concertos. I like them since they introduced me to the Beethoven concertos. The first concerto in that set is with Boettcher and the Stuttgart Philharmonic.
And of course there is the Michelangeli recording of the Beethoven 1st on DGG with Giulini and the Vienna Symphony. I like Michelangeli's recordings a lot.
Enjoy the music.
You disliked the sound on his concerto recordings, but which set did you mean? I believe he did these concerti with Mehta and Solti, and a third set in which he conducted the Cleveland. The Cleveland set has very good sound, and the Third is my current favorite among stereo versions.
I have the London Stereophonic pressing, not the Decca release. I think it is the London pressing that is the problem, not the artists or performances. The recording won a 1973 Grammy. From reviews I can find online, seems that the CD remastering was better. London pressings in that era are iffy, the FFSS sound the best.
Enjoy the music.
. . . I thought that the SQ on the one concerto I heard from that Ashkenazy/Solti set (No. 4) was notably inferior to the earlier recording in Chicago with Cliburn/Reiner (an excellent performance which may fly under the radar for a lot of people). I don't know if the Ashkenazy/Solti recording has been remastered and possibly improved in the meantime however (as you suggest).
which are notably better recordings and pressings than the London Stereophonics of the mid 70s. Mid-70s oil embargo affected the quality of vinyl pressings, it affects SQ on playback.
Enjoy the music.
Actually, I was referring to the realism and naturalness of the microphone set-up and the general acoustic - despite the RCA recording being a Dynagroove effort (ugh!). (I understand that the hall in Chicago had undergone a pretty disastrous renovation in the time between the Cliburn and Ashkenazy recordings.)
The Earl Wild Rach #2 mentioned in another thread is an RCA Dynagroove and it is a sonic spectacular. My copy is also first edition stamper, so that helps too.
I agree that as time went on, the Dynagroove lost some quality. I recall when we used to flex them since they were so thin. Yikes.
Enjoy the music.
The Earl Wild Rach 2 was issued on CD by Chandos, and also in a much better remastered version by Chesky.
But prefer the RCA sonics. If I run across the Chesky CD I will have to check it out.
Enjoy the music.
Beethoven's First Concerto is one of the more frustrating works, there are a lot of performances out there that just don't do it for me......
The coordination and ensemble on those scales in sixteenth notes can get messed up very easily! (I'm not talking about the big name orchestras of course.)
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