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In Reply to: RE: rach 2 has a near definitive recording (IMO) posted by DrChaos on October 04, 2020 at 23:50:08
And believe me, I wanted to like it, after finding a spanking Mint "red stereo" large tulip copy, in the heavy cardboard slipcase!
IIRC, there's a lot of rubato, even in the piano accompaniment during the big tune of the finale.
I will listen again.
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"IIRC, there's a lot of rubato, even in the piano accompaniment during the big tune of the finale."I don't have a problem with it---and in fact I think this piece semi 'recomposed' and tastefully rubato'ed by Richter sounds better than "playing it straight".
To be blunt, Rachmaninov isn't a perfect composer, and the seams of the transitions can sound jarring and the flurry of notes uninsipired/undistinguished and tiresome at times. A good and free interpreter makes the piece work significantly better. With Richter's interpretation the pulse of the piece sounds better and more organic.
I'd put the Tchaikovsky VC and PC's in this category as well. The Heifetz recording of the VC with Auer's nips and tucks & Jascha's personality is a winner.
It's not like the Beethoven violin or 10 of the Mozart piano concertos which are exquisitely composed to every phrase, and the performer needs only to get out of the way and not besmirch them.
Consider the 1st movement of the BVC. You can play nearly all of it to a metronome and it's dazzling genius.
Edits: 10/05/20
Mozart's Concertos may indeed be "exquisite", but they're (relatively) boring as all get out compared to the Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff Concertos! And the fact that you can play a whole concerto movement at a single metronome setting is IMHO an indication of weakness - not genius! And if by BVC you mean the Beethoven Violin Concerto, your claim is not even true - if you don't even adjust your "inner metronome" in the course of the performance, people are going to notice (and start to walk out!).
No one is saying that all Rubato is bad. I don't recall anyone saying that they prefer anything played at "a single metronome setting."
It's just a matter of how much tartar sauce on wants on his caviar.
As for Mozart, the 25th Concerto has quite a few surprises. I hope no young, impressionable type avoids Mozart after reading your post. It's taking me 30 years of listening to overcome stereotypes like that and finally discover the magic of Mozart and Haydn.
No, nobody said all rubato is bad - in fact, that's exactly what Chaos and I LIKE about the Richter performance of the Rachmaniinoff Second Concerto! (And I think that that's what you and Scott DON'T like about that performance?) ;-)
And, yes, I do like a lot of Mozart, including some of the piano concertos (including the 25th Concerto which you mention). It's just that a lot of his other music is uselessly, tiresomely perfect (and exquisite!). He was the "Boy Genius" you know!
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