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In Reply to: RE: IEC Sockets from Gear City posted by PingPing on March 12, 2017 at 21:52:16
> From what I can gather, the OP is not after sound quality, just something functional, cheap, and looks good.
Absolutely not. I want a good quality plug that won't reduce the quality of the sound I get from my expensive system - otherwise I wouldn't be changing from the supplied power cables.
What I'm asking is "Can anyone positively identify this plug and comment on its quality?". I don't want people saying "if it's a sensible price, it's a fake" Some here have said this without a shred of evidence.
We all know that there are VAST mark-ups at each stage of the retail audio trade and that the fancy IEC plug bought in an audio store will have typically a £50 price tag. We also all know (unless we are totally ignorant of how the audio trade works) that these plugs are essentially not expensive to make (but much more than the few cents ones on standard moulded cables) and the asking price is dictated by those who enjoy the big profits - the importers, distributors and dealers each wanting 100+% mark-up. So if someone close to the manufacturing base buys in big quantities for a big discount and he sells them direct to the consumer from overseas (thus avoiding 25% import duty and sales tax / VAT) with a modest mark-up, he can still make a worthwhile profit.
I suspect that these plugs (advertised on Ebay.uk and Sonar Quest in US) are as genuine as the more costly ones offered by the "audio trade".
If someone can definitively offer FACTS about these plugs, I'd be happy to listen. If people simply say "sensible price equals fake or crap" I'm inclined to suggest they keep their uninformed opinion to themselves. The description of these plugs on the Sonar Quest site clearly states the manufacturer is Oyaide. If they are mis-selling these and they are not made by Oyaide, then they will be prosecuted. Has their claim of manufacture been challenged? Have they been shut down, fined or imprisoned for illegal trading or fraud? I suspect not.
So constructive comments only please. Thanks
So all I can say is you're just a stubborn dude.
On the other hand maybe you really do not get it.
This particular ward of A.A. is for folks who DO think cable and wires and cords and shiny bits matter.
It is NOT for folks who want to argue about cheap stuff is good since it HAS to be just as good since it looks the same.
Or defending the low prices since all that markup must be the reason why the good stuff costs so much. (Since in your mind it has to be the same as the cheap stuff.) LOL
By all means have a rant and avoid answering the question. I shouldn't have come to this particular forum as there are many here who sadly have totally closed minds. I last started a thread here some years ago and received equally unhelpful responses.
I'll try to remember to visit another AA forum where people are open-minded, helpful and will fairly consider a questions asked by others. We want to KNOW the answers to questions not to be fobbed off with the sort of crap you've been spewing out. However thanks to those who've been more constructive.
You have no idea how many lurkers visit Cable Asylum who stay silent rather than post a defensive response every time a question about the audiophile quality of a particular cable, power cord, AC outlet, AC connector, and other audio connectors of so many kinds pass through this forum, and how many posts are either ignored or responded to in a less than favorable way. It's the responsibility of the OP to provide the best attitude to follow within a thread, rather than simply attract an argument in a public forum as your reward.
> It's the responsibility of the OP to provide the best attitude to follow within a thread, rather than simply attract an argument in a public forum as your reward.
Yes, I appreciate that point entirely. Was my original post anything other than a genuine and politely worded enquiry about a product that appears good value? Did my question deserve the bile that some here have spewed out without actually addressing the question objectively?
If people can't answer the question as some obviously can't, they should keep their cretinous and insulting views to themselves
Just to remind those who've chosen to behave so objectionably, the original post read:
"Has anyone experience with these IEC plugs? They are offered in gold and rhodium plated copper at sensible prices. They are sent from Hong Kong and doubtless made in China, however provided the materials are as described, what's not to like at these prices? Thanks"
Please enjoy AA and I have found your posts to be ok, so, all good
I have never used them, so you should try them and let us know if they are any good. Perhaps they will surprise you and us!
I am NOT sure if they are legal, though.
You need to go buy yourself a mirror.
Your initial question -- "Has anyone experience with these IEC plugs" -- was answered by me, for one. I replied quite simply that I thought they were a good value for the money, but a far cry from a genuine Oyaide or Furutech. Guess you didn't like that answer. Your response, wanting to know what "magical" properties the Furutech had followed by a dismissal of the "gullable"(sic) audiophiles that would spend money on them is exactly the "cretinous and insulting" view you accuse others of. I figured you were a troll then, and the more you post, the more you prove it.
Thank you both for your constructive comments.
bcowen provided a link to Sonic Quest, a company that offers the identical plug to the US market at a similar price to Gear City who offer it in UK - and probably Europe too.
Do we know anything of Sonic Quest? I'd like to know if they are US-based because if so, they are presumably operating under US trading, copyright and fraud laws. In view of the fact that SQ state that this plug is manufactured by Oyaide. I presume that's probably true - if they are US based. If they operate from outside the US, then I agree one has to be wary.
Has anyone here actually bought these plugs (my original question) and if so, do they agree with me that they are well made and seemingly as specified?
People such as Duster and 3+4=5 have jumped to unsubstantiated assumptions and have followed up by unwarranted rudeness to me for challenging their ignorance of this particular product. If they've never bought or used the plug, then they should have kept their prejudicial feelings to themselves and read comments by any respondents who HAVE bought and used them, rather than accusing me for being naive. I was in the trade side of this industry for several years and I know what sort of mischief the trade gets up to - particularly when it comes to profit margins on accessories such as cables and plugs.
Once they started with their ranting nonsense, I admit that I've wound them up a bit more by questioning their claimed "knowledge" (call me a troll if you wish) but they frankly deserve it. My replies to intelligent responses have, I think been polite and appreciative. I'd still like to get the question of SQ's county of operation answered and to speak with someone who has also bought and use these "sensibly priced" plugs.
As usual, your impression is spot-on. The OP still does not get it. You don't know how many times I've seen this kind of thread dissolve into a battle of wills against the forum during my 14k plus posts and far more reading of other folk's posts, as if every response is some type of reflection upon the nature of Cable Asylum over the decades. Staying on-topic is the best approach, with staying silent and reading more often being the most informative option if there's nothing better to say or ask in this forum. just my 2 cents
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