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In Reply to: RE: Sensible prices. posted by Duster on March 10, 2017 at 20:15:21
I am always prepared more for things that do the job better - that's why I have costly speakers, amps, etc - but if a £5 gizmo does the same job as a £70 one, which should I choose? And which would you choose?
How one established the material they're made from I don't know! However to carry a mains current the one inch between the end of a cable and the pin in the socket in the equipment can't be rocket science and the amplifier sound shouldn't be adversely affected as long as it conducts electricity!
An inspection of the IEC plugs I bought from this vendor a few years ago shows they're obviously not unsafe. All the metal parts are adequately secured in sturdy plastic and the screws lighten well.
Oh, your posts seem quite reasonable and I do not think that you are trolling!
They may or may not be safe, although they appear safe, but the real question you need to ask is ... "are they legal for use in your country? That is, do they have the necessary certification for use in your country, ie. BSA, CE, UL, etc?
The marketing hype on some of the Furatech models is a bit of a lark, isn't it. I wonder if the Metal/CF covers, being conductive, are actually legal, certainly blingy but legal, maybe!
IMO, connectors definitely make a difference but some of the marketing is a bit of a lark, isn't it.
Yes, although quite a lot of good quality China made stuff that is sold here in UK by UK distributors (with the CE mark) can often be bought from Hong Kong at a much lower price without this label These are not fakes but are cheaper because the manufacturers often sell direct and with a small mark-up compared with what importers, distributors and dealers in the UK (and doubtless the US) expect. They can also send this stuff with no tax. As they are low value, the UK Customs allow then in without the usual 4% duty and 20% VAT. If they are selling the item to many markets, it is unlikely they'd mark each one separately according to the address on the package.
I have no qualms about buying from China per se but I don't want rubbish. That's why I'm buying screened power cable and good quality plugs and sockets to replace the standard cables supplied with equipment.
The IEC plug I found is labelled as Made in Japan. I have no idea if this is correct (I have no reason to believe it isn't), but it is identical in every way with the one in the link below quoted by a US-based contributor here. Is that supplier (Sonar Quest) US based? If so, I presume they are selling genuine Oyaide plugs (as claimed) with the appropriate safety certificate.
The suggestion that this sort of price for an IEU plug defines it a crap, dangerous and counterfeit is rubbish. It is quite reasonable to expect a manufacturer to be able to make a safe plug that's well constructed with quality materials for £5 / $8 if he keeps his profit margin small and it can avoid the imposition of tax. We are mugs if we are happily conned into thinking we need to pay 10 or 15 times that price simply because it's aimed at the "audio" market and we accept the addition of several layers of huge percentage profit along the line.
However if this item (and the identical Sonar Quest one) is fake, I'd like to know the facts. I would be the mug if these plugs are fake and are made from crap material!
However to carry a mains current the one inch between the end of a cable and the pin in the socket in the equipment can't be rocket science and the amplifier sound shouldn't be adversely affected as long as it conducts electricity!
If that's your viewpoint on AC connectors, why not just go to Home Depot and buy any old UL listed connector for a couple bucks?
What you've linked appear to be just another branded version of the Sonar Quest plugs. Nothing wrong with them and actually a good value for the money, but a far cry from any genuine Oyaide or Furutech connector.
Cullen thought enough of the Sonar Quests to use them on my Crossover power cord. Don't sound bad to me. I'd have no problem giving them a shot if budget were an issue.
Yes the plugs I have are obviously from the same factory as the Sonar Quest ones.
When you say "but a far cry from any genuine Oyaide or Furutech connector" what exactly do you mean? Are these costly plugs any better at conveying the mains power that last inch between the cable and the equipment pin? If so, how do they allow the amplifier to achieve a noticeable improvement in sound?
I'm genuinely interested as if Furutech has some magical way of avoiding the apparent problems that cheaper IEC plugs suffer from, I'd spend the extra money on costly plugs. If however as I suspect, it's a ruse to get more gullable audio fans to believe this last inch of mains transmission is so much better done that they need to spend 10 times as much, I'll stick to £5 plugs. I'd just like to know the difference - apart from the obvious price difference of course! Thanks
PS Look down at the Sonar Quest spec. It says the brand is Oyaide!
If however as I suspect, it's a ruse to get more gullable audio fans to believe this last inch of mains transmission is so much better done that they need to spend 10 times as much...
With comments like that, you've made it obvious you're just trolling. There is plenty of information about the differences in quality connectors within this forum, and I have no interest in playing your worn out and stupid little game.
What makes you react in such a way? I'm simply asking what the "real" difference is between the £5 IEC plug that I asked about and a far more costly one.
If you don't know, then why reply in the unhelpful way you have?
If you do know, perhaps you'd enlighten me. Thanks
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