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Assuming you believe that cables can make a difference ( I do ) is there any consensus that running double runs of speaker cable ( completely separate ) is likely to increase separation and possibly soundstaging ?
The speaker wires would be physically separated and I obviously have biwireable speakers to accommodate this adventure.
I am already bi-wiring ( internal ) and pleased with the results. One concern is that I cannot afford the same quality of cable . I'm talking about $500 or less for 4 cables or two.
I don't expect definitive answers ( if indeed there ever are any ) but just a general reaction to my question.
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The cables were too heavy to be doubled up, and the spades too thick.
I use shotgun style bi wire speaker cables now.
I loved Bi-Amping when I had 2 identical amps, tho.
I used the better cables on the treble/mid amp.
Maybe a combo of spade and banana would work for a double run.
there are banana plugs that accommodate spades which simplifies a double run if one run has spades.
...regards...tr
The link and its associated info will give you hours of reading pleasure. Some is basic info but it does go deeper.
I'm a big fan of biwiring (and biamping), mostly fueled when I had a set of VR4GenIII's back in the early 2000's, so to answer your question, yes.
You'd be best served by not reading audio industry techno babble about cables, but go to physics texts that talk about signal transmission. You'll find reality a lot different than audio fantasy.
You obviously haven't bothered to read any of the referenced material, which abounds with physics and science references.
The bi-wire section provides original research and analysis into bi-wiring electrical parameters, as well as interdriver interactions and IM.
If you THINK that you have any sort of contrary references, it would be interesting so see what, since it would be extremely difficult to even begin to dismiss the info and data without invoking sheer emotional responses and cable naysayer dogma and anti-science outlooks.
If you wish to discuss it like a civilized person, then we will have to take it over to the Prop Head forum.
Jon Risch
NT
I don't think there's consensus on anything whatsoever in the world of hi if, or anywhere else for that matter. That said, more people than not (of those whose opinions I've read and seem sane) feel that a single run of good cable is better than than two runs of lesser cable. Internal biwire cable is a compromise, but so is using two runs of lower quality cable. Of course, it's possible you can get "better" cable cheap enough to do true biwire. Cables are, to say the least, quirky when it comes to price vs. performance.
Part of me thinks that the fact that you are "pleased with the results" of your current arrangement means you should not be worrying about this.
"I'm talking about $500 or less for 4 cables or two. "
Were you looking for opinions on running 4 cables (2 pair) of lower quality for a total cost of $500 versus only two cables (1 pair) of a supposed higher quality, also at a total cost of $500?
I'd be curious about that as well.
Cheers!
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
While technically a double run, the configuration you describe is a set of external bi-wire cables vs. internal bi-wire cables. A double run typically indicates two separate cables per channel connected to a single pair of non-bi-wire binding posts in order to double the cable cross section (AWG), while a set of external bi-wire cables indicates two separate cables per channel connected to two pairs of bi-wire binding posts per channel, one for the high-pass section, the other for the low-pass section. The use of external bi-wire cables vs. an internal bi-wire cable tends to provide better isolation of electrical and magnetic fields associated with the reduction of the EMF backwave produced by the motor function of the woofer from polluting the tweeter. Separate cables for both the high and low posts tends to take bi-wiring to the next level, with a positive affect on soundstaging and overall clarity vs. an internal bi-wire cable.
Is that specific to a DAC, or also in power amp applications?
Dave
I'm not sure what you mean by 'specific to a DAC', Dave.
Oops! I was asking the question about your reply in the thread, "Question for VH Audio users". I must have clicked the wrong reply.
Dave
I found that both biwiring and then a passive biamp made a very big difference. Moreso than the choice of wire used which for me in the past ten years has been Kimber 8TC, Speltz Anticables, spades removed in favor of bare wire and now DIY 14 ga copper foil. The last two were also cryo'ed.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
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