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In Reply to: RE: Can someone with knowledge explain the "breaking in" phenomenon posted by gonzo on May 30, 2012 at 10:59:13
As you can see from the responses below, the simple answer to your question is no. No one can explain it to you, just as no one can tell you why a wine would need to breathe.
If you prefer Mungo Jerry's scientific approach, maybe someone at Propeller Head Plaza can assist you. The problem with the scientific approach is that many think if it can't be measured that it can't be heard, as opposed to those that hear differences say that if it can't be measured, you are measuring the wrong thing.
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That's too simplistic. You're regurgitating that old objective vs subjective nonsense. The OP wants to know what's happening at break-in. Shouldn't science explain this?
These types of posts are not in the spirit of the Cable Asylum.
Please refrain from such postings, or suffer the consequences.
In this post specifically, you are denigrating a poster, and demanding scientific/objective replies and content.
See:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/d.mpl?audio/cables.html
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Jon Risch
...you are the one regurgitating the same old science routine.
"Shouldn't science be able to explain this?"
You can hope so, but I doubt it. You have to remember that science is ever evolving. Maybe one day science will be able to answer this. We can measure things today that we could not measure 50 years ago, so one day science may have an explaination just for you.
Until then, perhaps some folks should recognize the difference between the Cable forum and the Propeller Head Plaza forum. Do a study and explain to me why scientific minds cannot respect boundaries. It seems almost every thread you get wrapped up in within the Cable Forum eventually gets tossed, and rightfully so. Maybe that is your goal, to get every thread about sonic differences in cables thrown out. Mungo Jerry, saving the world.....LOL!!!
You're taking this a little too personally for some reason.
Is it possible that nothing is happening because break-in doesn't exist? Are we entirely sure that this phenomenon actually takes place? It's been mentioned so many times by cable vendors, that we seem to accept it without question. Maybe the audio community has been duped!
I would be willing to bet that if you asked the world's leading EE's, they would say it doesn't exist. If you asked the average audiophile, he would vouch for its existence.
"I would be willing to bet that if you asked the world's leading EE's, they would say it doesn't exist. If you asked the average audiophile, he would vouch for its existence."
So what exactly is the point of that statement? That you are willing to hedge bets on imaginary scenerio's? That what we hear can't be measured by our current limited scientific capabilities? Or is it all in the audiophile's head? Nothing can be proven on either side, so what exactly is the point of your posts, other than to have threads dismissed?
My point is simply that we cannot just blindly look to science. Science has been proven wrong many times in the last 10,000 years. Science is still evolving, as is the human mind. Maybe, in 732 years science will be able to accurately measure what humans can hear. In the mean time, what is gained by hedging bets on assumptions with limited knowledge.
On a personal note, yes you will have to forgive me. I have been suffering with a health affliction for the last 25 years that our modern medical science has not been able to understand, cure, or even properly identify yet. So forgive me if I don't find the state of the scientific field to be finalized. I see it as ever evolving, just as we humans are.
I agree on all counts.
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Break-in is necessary for any of my hi end products, and we have found it important with cables.
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