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In Reply to: RE: Shunyata Venom 3 burn in posted by magiccarpetride on February 20, 2012 at 15:00:36
Short answer (in my experience with the Venom 3 or any of the other 11 Shunyata power cords I have used): no. From what you have mentioned I would have to ask just how new (unused) the cords are, and, if you are sure the connections are tight and the contacts are all clean. Also, if you could describe what the rest of the system consists of that would help with further trouble shooting. I just added a Venom 3 to my system recently and did not note any change after about the first 15 hours or so. This is consistent with what the factory would state, I understand. Even in my fairly detail oriented/resolving system, I have not heard the likes of the Shunyata Python CX or Anaconda CX power cords change the sound after the first 15 or so hours. That is my experience. Another question for you: what is shifting about the sound presentation? Is it the likes of the soundstage? Regardless, surely something else is at play here.
Follow Ups:
All three cables are brand new. I use one cable on my power conditioner, the other on my digital transport, and the third one on my power amp.The overall net effect of placing these cables in my system is more mellow, analog-like character of the sound. They seem to somewhat attenuate what sounds to me like a bit of digital hardness in the upper middle region. Also, the cymbal splashes now sound more natural, with noticeably longer decay.
All that at the expense of the oomph in the bass. The bass is now much tighter, more taut, more melodic, easier to discern and follow, but it lost some of its grittiness and oomph.
Lastly, the soundstage shrunk quite a bit. It seems more precise now, but also more miniature.
Edits: 02/21/12
I haven't really had any issues with burn in. I now have well over 500 hours on one and over 250 on the other.
I got the most positive change on my cd player (first Venom3). The second one is on my pre-amp where it produced a positive change, but not near as dramatic as on the cd player.
I tried moving the one from the pre-amp to my amp and I just didn't care for the resulting change and moved it back to my pre-amp. I've been hesitant to go with the third one for the amp because I am really happy with my system the way it is. I also tried taking the Venom3s out and it didn't take very long before I put them back in.
Maybe you could try moving the one you have on the amp to the pre-amp? Or take two out and move one to different components to see if things stabilize for you.
Please let us know how you resolve your dilemma.
I made one change in my configuration in that I've unplugged the Venom 3 that was feeding my power amp from the power conditioner (Belkin PF-30) and plugged it straight into the wall outlet. That, to my ears, somewhat restored the muscle in the bass. Am I imagining things, or is the sound indeed different if you feed electrical current directly from the wall outlet than if you feed it from the power conditioner?
My power amp sounds the best plugged directly into the wall outlet.
Do you think you've totally solved your problem?
My power amp sounds the best plugged directly into the wall outlet.
Do you think you've totally solved your problem?
I think the roller coaster ride with the burning in (or whatever else was going on with my system) now seems to be over. The mids and the highs are now the best they've ever been. However, I'm still not happy with the bass, as I feel that prior to this change, my bass was much more robust, with more pronounced 'oomph' and torque. Sure, plugging the Shunyata Venom 3 directly into the wall outlet seemed to have improved the bass, but I still feel it's kind of too shy and too polite for my taste.
I'll go back and replace Shunyata with Nordost power cable on my power amp, and will report back if it made any positive change. Thanks for your advice!
It's a combination of the conditioner (they all tend to alter the sound and limit dynamics) and your line voltage no doubt (variable with time of day). That's assuming your components are in perfect working order. Also, psychology, emotional state, pharmaceuticals and alcohol (not to mention air pressure, humidity and the presence of ear wax) will effect what you are hearing:O) Funny thing is...I'm not kidding!
dave_b
No, you have heard correctly. Interesting you should ask this question at this point. I had looked up your system and saw you listed the Belkin conditioner, and I was composing my next set of questions to you about your system w/ the Venom3 power cords when your post showed up.
In my experience, "power conditioners" such as the Belkin you have will at least change power amp. dynamics - and this means usually restricting the dynamics - unless they specifically state they are "non-current limiting" (even then ...). I had a $200 Monster brand "power bar" at one point and easily noted that the dynamics of my then mid-fi system (mostly Rotel) were restricted vs. the $3.00 wall outlet. Latter, I purchased a Shunyata Hydra4 power conditioner. In short, the results were that the dynamics of my system were more pronounced (I mean much better, even for bass alone) with the Hydra4 vs. the wall outlet. Go figure; but I have stuck with the Hydra4 longer than any other system component thus far. From this, and other experiences it has lead me to think, from hearing such results that are clearly notable, that more music can be garnered simply from the AC side of components, be they amps., or source.
I would encourage you to try to audition a proven (that means neutral and non-current limiting) power conditioner such as the Shunyata Hydra series. Used, they are a steal for what they do. From another OP I note you had started to evaluate another brand; I do not have experience with that brand, however my dad worked for Furman in the past. And do not get me started on outlets .... Happy listening
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