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Anyone auditioned this new Marantz amp. Very unusual design.
That's too bad. Another OEM module in a box me-too amp, just like the ones built by small garage shop audiophile manufacturer wannabe outfits.
I'm disappointed that a highly respected brand like Marantz took the low road to higher margins and profitability on this one. Lower R&D investment, lower cost of entry, lower cost of parts, quicker to market, with higher profits. Lazy.
Wouldn't be the first time...won't be the last.
Morricab what is your opinion of Ncore SQ ?
Heard the Mola mola now a few times and Taiko Audio (from Netherlands) and in both cases the sound is clean and fast...and lacking tone and a natural flow to the sound. Bass has little to no texture either. I guess it beats some SS stuff and the poorer tube stuff but it doesn't beat either at the higher levels of performance. As you know, I am not just a tube guy, I am a SET guy so you can take my opinion of ncore from that perspective...it is somewhat dry and sterile based on what I hear live...there is a lot of normal SS that fits that category as well but there is a strange...texture...to the Class D sound that I find more synthetic sounding than other dry sounding SS (like Naim or Linn gear for example).
I hear more or less the same thing with the Devialet gear so there is not an improvement there either.
I agree, furthermore I still much prefer Class AB .
I've tried a number of Class D amps over the years. They sound pretty good but not great to me. But some folks seem to like them. They can offer excellent value.
As I've said before, my personal belief is that they belong in sanely priced amps that offer great bang for the buck.... i.e. high value.
But when a manufacturer stuffs OEM Class D modules in a pretty chassis and charges crazy stratospheric audiophile pricing, that's just wrong. We can get better sound in traditional Class AB amps IMHO so the only place Class D makes perfect sense to me is in modestly priced amps or in situations demanding power efficiency. I have little respect for 'high-end' manufacturers who stuff OEM modules in a box.
It's using Hypex Ncore NC500 amplifier modules and a Hypex switching power supply. That's good news for sound quality. However, seems the MSRP is about double what it should be IMO. Perhaps a typo or they'll be deeply discounted.
More and more audio manufacturers are realizing how well the Hypex Class-D amplifier perform and sound. This is yet another case in point, where Marantz chose to use Ncore amplifier modules in their top-tier product, whereas they continue to use class AB for their lower-end Reference Series product .
Marantz doesn't disclose what type of driver circuitry they're using with the Ncore, but I'm sure they've put some thought into it.
Marantz make no mention of Class D or Hypex NC modules
Sure they do. Click here for the online manual.
OK Thanks not seen manual
What makes you say that?
I think you'll find over a dozen different Ncore based amps on the market today. Even octogenarian Siggy Linkwitz has replaced his trusty ATI amp with.. guess what? - the ATI Ncore flavor!
" The difference was audible within seconds - and independent of volume level - as greatly increased clarity, darker bass and fine spatial imaging detail."
Funny how tone and timbre are words never used in describing the ncore sound...
I guess Most dont care or hear it. I like the jump of a good class-D , cant get pass the Timbre issues thou ...
I was told the NC500 was a huge improvement in this area ...
I have found that even the jump is not that good. Better dynamics from a good SET with a high sensitivity speaker.
I find it laughable that they dare to claim the tone and timbre of these amps is neutral! Their signature is all over whatever recording you care to play...from dreck to the finest recordings it is there...and objectionable. I had a recent Devialet experience and came away again with the sameness in the end that each recording takes on with these amps. A synthetic sheen if you will.
I refuse to believe that recordings are stripped so bare and that the amp is only reporting the "truth" about those recordings. When I play stuff on my system I get a HUGE variability in the sound between recordings...the poor stuff sounds like that where you can hear the errors clearly. It still sounds like music but limited. The best recordings sound realistic and then there is everything in between. I am by no means an Audio Note fanboy but their philosophy of maximum contrast in recordings has some merit. I don't hear that contrast with either ncore or Devialet (as the two big Class D players right now) and I know that this contrast between recordings exists! That is a fail right there, IMO.
I have heard Ncore 500s...didn't seem fundamentally different to me...
SET jump is very setup dependent, but with the right speakers nothing has that realism of attack, so while class-D doesn't do it just as well they do have very good jump, better than most SS amps. Class-D fails , I find on Classical music, they sound bad due to the odd timbre , but if one only listens to electronic studio stuff, you will find them fantastic ..
Disagree on the devialet, on the Martin Logans i heard them on they had good drive and tone much better than any clas-D i heard before , caveat ..? You have to run them in Mono pr's or forget about it and i did not hear them on Classical music .
...and came away again with the sameness in the end that each recording takes on with these amps.
That's a good way to put the effect. Homogenized sound.
I agree with you re Devialet. However have you auditioned Marantz PM-10 integrated very expensive £7K. Nord make power amp using Ncore 500 only £1400.
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