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In Reply to: RE: How does the Rogue RP-5 compare to the CJ 17LS you once owned? posted by AbeCollins on May 22, 2017 at 10:22:07
It's quite similar, but a bit sweeter and not quite as neutral, and yet more dynamic.On a closed 1 to 10 scale, if I were to label the CJ PV14L as a 1, meaning the bottom of neutral, and the 17LS as a 10, meaning the top of neutral, I'd give the Rogue about a 7.5.
But it's much more dynamic than the PV14L and somewhat more so than the 17LS. It has very good boogey factor! On an open 1 to 10 scale, I'd say PV14 would be a 5, 17LS a 7.5, and the Rogue a 9.
Also, the Rogue is dead silent like the 17LS (the PV14L was hissy). And, unlike any CJ I've tried, it is also consistently dead silent on turn on, turn off and switching source input. (Knock on wood.)
It's less expensive than the 17LS even without adjusting for inflation and has an excellent phono stage and headphone amp, which were absent from the 17LS.
It's plastic remote reminds me of the entry level CJ remotes, rather than the pretty metal CJ Premier remotes, but that's OK with me.
If I buy it and put in the recommended NOS tubes, I'll report back as I've been told they are "night and day" better from the JJs in it now.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
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That's interesting and encouraging. Thanks for the comparison summary.
I also felt that the PV14L was very "polite" and a little rolled off at each frequency extreme. The solid-state Premier 18LS was more dynamic than the PV14L but still a bit "polite" compared to other preamps I've had.
Please post again with your decision once you've 'pulled the trigger' so to speak. Thanks!
I just ordered an RP-5 in silver from Paul, the manager of Goodwin's High End. Great guy!
Paul says that he has his own "tube guy" who also inspects tubes very carefully like Kevin Deal does and offers competitive prices. He'll get back to me on the price his guy can offer on the recommended Mullards and I'll likely get them from him too.
Woo Hoo! Can't wait!
Anyone wanna buy a used PS Audio GCPH? Great unit! ;-)
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Please post again once you've had more time on it. Thanks!
Congrats, you are going to love it. It took exactly a week from the time I ordered mine until it was built and ready to be picked up. I didn't know that Goodwins carried Rogue. I live within a 45 minute drive from them. I bought mine from Overture in Wilmington, DE and drove down on a Saturday to pick it up.
"Big man, pig man, ha ha charade you are.
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha charade you are."
R. Waters
Thanks! Can't wait. Paul is offering the Mullard 12AU7 flat plates recommended by Rogue for $60 bucks each, which I understand is the same price as what you paid Kevin, so I pulled the trigger on those too.
Goodwin's only just started carrying Rogue gear recently. I'm pretty sure they dropped ARC actually, which surprised me but I've not yet had a chance to ask Paul why.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
TY- JoshT
In the past, I have dealt w/ Spearit Sound in MA.
I like Spearit Sound. But I wish they still had their Brookline, MA location as I like to hear, touch and smell and then home audition! ;-)
I got my CJ 17LS, CA200 and MF2250 from them, as well as a lot of other stuff over the years. Stilll have the MF2250.
Ralph Spear is a nice guy, and I really like Leland (RIP).
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
My contact at Spearit Sound has been Jack Tozzi.
He is very keen on Conrad Johnson gear- those guys must move alot of product!
Happy Listening!
Don't go nuts on those tubes. Go over to the tube forum and get the best tube FOR that preamp. Just because it's NOS doesn't mean it's a given "good tube" for that unit. Don't be wary of new production tubes because there are some EXCELLENT new tubes available.
An example is my new GL 12AT7s are better then my highly praised RCA long black plates.
There is a specific set that Rogue itself recommends. They are a specific Mullard tube available from Kevin Deal. Inmate stereo5 has mentioned them in his posts and uses them and likes them. My dealer has mentioned them too and can provide them.
But yes, I agree with you.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Beautiful pics! JoshT
interesting combo w/ the CJ, Krell and Rogue Audio.
I am a big fan of Conrad Johnson. I have always wanted to demo Krell gear.
Additionally, I have heard Rogue Audio gear over the years and it is a sleeper in many ways. At its price -point, tough to beat (no pun).
Keep me posted on your musical gear journey!
They actually complement each other beautifully!
The only Krell component is the Foundation, which is their award winning processor, and it really is phenomenal. Even as a two channel preamplifier it's quite good, and as a processor of mulitchannel TV, movie tracks and music, it's stunningly good. With the Rogue in the chain, it will be releived of two channel duty (other than movies streamed that way).
The CJ MF2250 is a wonderfully natural sounding solid state power amplifier.
And the Rogue PR-5 has a fairly similar sound to the CJ preamplifiers so it's a great match with the MF2250.
Seems strange though! ;-)
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
JoshT-
I am certainly interested in the CJ/Krell combo.
What cables , power cords are you using?
Nothing fancy. Entry level Siltech pro series (Londons I think) for interconnect and the stock power cords for now.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Very nice! JoshT-
you are really onto something, as Siltech, is a sonic match for CJ gear.
I have not had an opportunity to audition this brand.
I am a "cable" buy first and foremost. System synergy is key.
Whom is your dealer/retailer?
My dealer is Goodwin's High End in Waltham, MA. Excellent group. Particularly like the office manager, Paul Chambers. Great guy.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
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Believe it or not, I never made that connection until right now! I guess I compartmentalize things an awful lot! ;-)
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
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