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In Reply to: RE: Got my new space heater today! posted by Stale on January 21, 2017 at 07:58:02
I'd be curious to get your take on the MV60SE vs the Rogue Stereo 90.
I think the sound of those amps is greatly influenced by the preamps ahead of them. Were you using the same preamp with each power amp?
That being said, I actually prefer the Cronus Magnum Integrated (with it's internal preamp) to the Stereo 90 that I had which was driven directly by a DAC that had variable output level.
I suppose the Stereo 90 driven directly by the DAC should have been more transparent, and maybe it was. But the overall setup seemed a little lean especially in the mids, compared to the Cronus Magnum. I like a bit more of that warm 'tuby' sound. Some say the Cronus Magnum is not very 'tuby' sounding. I guess that's a matter of opinion too and where you're coming from.
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With Rogue I have used several premps that I can remember. Musical Fidelity CD Pre24, Acurus RL11?!?, Myriad MP100 and VTL finally 2.5.
I do not find Stereo 90 bright but neutral, like good SS. But, it is sensitive to tubes rolling and I recall that it became bright when using Electro-Harmonix even more when partnered with the same or Sovtek (12AX7LPS?!?, 6SN7 Sylvania) diver tubes. Neutral with SED 6550 and Tungsol driver rubes, on the softer side the same with Myllard NOS 12AX7. Can not remember that I used it other than SED and EH power tubes, but I tried various 12AX7 and 6SN7, Tungsol, Myllard, Matsushita, Sovtek, Sylvania, RCA...
I tried driving various amps, including amps discussed, directly with various DACS, phono preamps and was never happy. Sound seemed cleaner, but ultimately never right; usually boring, bleached, missing a soul.
With CJ I used VTL 2.5 only. I love it very much. I am sorry that I will repeat their motto, but it just sounds right. There is just rightness in timbre, dynamics coherence, sound stage, flow, and hart of the music. I can not say that bass is this, mid is that, treble such and such, it is one of the amps that makes everything fit together right.
CJ is not what people imagine thinking of old CJ amps with EL34 tubes, presuming stock tubes. It can be made somewhat warmer or leaner by swapping tubes but it never changes basic character, you can say that it is less sensitive than Stereo 90 to tube rolling.
If I have to describe, MV60SE in comparison to Stereo 90 has more body and better coherence, even when CJ is in UL and 90 in triode mode.
For those who like tubier sound, they can use EL34 in MV60SE (they are the same amps but set for different tuber, can be converted to either) and I presume switching to triode. Drawback is that it requires "surgery".
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Thanks.
Are you saying the CJ MV60SE is the one with more body and fuller & richer sound vs the Stereo 90 ?
And the Stereo 90 more toward neutral vs the CJ ?
The Premier 11a I had was nice but I always felt it was light in the bass compared to some other tube amps.
Hard to describe by words. Both are generally neutral sounding just that CJ more body and right timbre while not sounding warm.
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That leanness may obviously have been the lack of an active pre-amp. Or a difference in tube types and ages.
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