Jazz Alley: Don't really know, don't really care... by musetap

A real can of worms - kavakidd 15:02:27 09/26/17 ( 2)

I've been having this conversation for decades. - D Harvey 19:04:34 09/26/17 ( 1)
- To be honest, I really don't think about defining jazz. - Rick W 22:26:43 09/26/17 ( 0)

To borrow what Leo Steinberg said about art in the 60's - Cpwill 18:51:41 09/25/17 ( 4)

That's certainly one possible way of looking at it. - D Harvey 19:32:05 09/25/17 ( 3)
- procedural mindset? - Jim Pearce 07:46:55 09/26/17 ( 1)
  - I see it a little different. - D Harvey 19:15:51 09/26/17 ( 0)
- RE: That's certainly one possible way of looking at it. - Cpwill 05:51:25 09/26/17 ( 0)

A few questions: - HarryDStanton 12:13:19 09/25/17 ( 4)

RE: A few questions: - D Harvey 19:56:31 09/25/17 ( 3)
- What is "The Spirit of Jazz"? - HarryDStanton 06:26:13 09/26/17 ( 2)
  - The problem with "virility" as a definition... - D Harvey 19:21:02 09/26/17 ( 1)
    - That's not a problem, as Louis Armstrong declared at the outset... - HarryDStanton 09:08:13 09/27/17 ( 0)

Someone (you know who) once said - kavakidd 23:39:26 09/24/17 ( 1)

syncopation... - Jim Pearce 09:05:24 09/25/17 ( 0)

Any consensus yet?.... - musetap 12:02:41 09/24/17 ( 2)

I don't expect full consensus ever. - D Harvey 12:30:48 09/24/17 ( 1)
- Been fun and interesting so far...N/T - musetap 12:51:51 09/24/17 ( 0)

Ascertain the origin(s) of the word itself and get a clue - HarryDStanton 07:22:40 09/24/17 ( 10)

Before I was introduced to Yusef Lateef I was warned not to use the word "jazz". - Rick W 10:04:17 09/24/17 ( 2)
- Pretty sure when Yusef Lateef was still Bill Evans... - musetap 10:21:32 09/24/17 ( 0)
- I've run into that sentiment as well. - D Harvey 10:08:22 09/24/17 ( 0)
My understanding of the origin. - D Harvey 07:45:16 09/24/17 ( 6)
- Um, "understand the music"..? - HarryDStanton 08:03:08 09/24/17 ( 5)
  - Mmm.. - D Harvey 08:08:18 09/24/17 ( 4)
    - RE: "Not how my mind works." - HarryDStanton 08:15:50 09/24/17 ( 3)
      - Disagree again. - D Harvey 08:21:32 09/24/17 ( 2)
        
        Then let's agree to disagree - HarryDStanton 09:04:10 09/24/17 ( 1)
        
        No worries. - D Harvey 09:13:41 09/24/17 ( 0)

What the conservatories say: - Paul_A 09:42:23 09/23/17 ( 26)

Do the conservatories really preach this nonsense? - Mike K 21:20:57 09/23/17 ( 5)
- Wow, another post dissing... - musetap 11:56:25 09/24/17 ( 1)
  - Well not exactly - Mike K 19:51:21 09/24/17 ( 0)
- I think our friend... - D Harvey 07:19:59 09/24/17 ( 0)
- Look, this is really not worth discussing. - Rick W 07:11:21 09/24/17 ( 1)
  - Not to worry Rick... - musetap 12:01:43 09/24/17 ( 0)
Well, I went to "conservatory"... - D Harvey 09:52:54 09/23/17 ( 19)
- RE: Well, i say... - hifitommy 17:56:59 09/23/17 ( 0)
- RE: Well, I went to "conservatory"... - Paul_A 10:01:46 09/23/17 ( 17)
  - You live in NYC and can't find less hackneyed jazz groups to hear? C'mon, Paul. nt - Rick W 12:12:43 09/23/17 ( 15)
    - Sure I can. - Paul_A 17:59:02 09/23/17 ( 14)
      - "too consistent an outlook..." - musetap 21:20:36 09/23/17 ( 12)
        
        RE: "too consistent an outlook..." - GEO 08:15:41 09/24/17 ( 5)
        
        They had different opportunities... - musetap 10:54:02 09/24/17 ( 1)
        
        RE: They had different opportunities... - GEO 10:01:01 09/29/17 ( 0)
        
        Interesting question. - D Harvey 08:23:44 09/24/17 ( 2)
        
        RE: Interesting question. - GEO 09:23:24 09/24/17 ( 1)
        
        Ah...I see. - D Harvey 09:35:06 09/24/17 ( 0)
        
        And now I'm back to "wrong records". - D Harvey 07:40:08 09/24/17 ( 4)
        
        But they did teach proper music theory/development/ et al... - musetap 11:42:34 09/24/17 ( 0)
        
        RE: And now I'm back to "wrong records". - GEO 08:18:05 09/24/17 ( 2)
        
        RE: And now I'm back to "wrong records". - GEO 12:42:55 09/25/17 ( 0)
        
        RE: And now I'm back to "wrong records". - musetap 11:44:24 09/24/17 ( 0)
        
        RE: "too consistent an outlook..." - Paul_A 22:32:21 09/23/17 ( 0)
      - RE: Sure I can. - GEO 19:54:42 09/23/17 ( 0)
  - You need to find better clubs. - D Harvey 10:05:51 09/23/17 ( 0)

It's like that judge said about porn, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."...NT - MaxwellP 06:31:09 09/23/17 ( 10)

RE: It's like that judge said about porn, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."...NT - suretyguy 07:17:07 09/23/17 ( 9)
- Didn't I say this already? - D Harvey 07:20:36 09/23/17 ( 8)
  - RE: Didn't I say this already? - suretyguy 07:29:23 09/23/17 ( 7)
    - No offense intended at all... - D Harvey 10:21:20 09/23/17 ( 0)
    - RE: Didn't I say this already? - D Harvey 07:30:50 09/23/17 ( 5)
      - RE: Didn't I say this already? - axolotl 10:46:58 09/23/17 ( 4)
        
        RE: Didn't I say this already? - suretyguy 12:14:25 09/23/17 ( 0)
        
        :-).... - D Harvey 10:50:39 09/23/17 ( 2)
        
        I missed that... - MaxwellP 10:35:37 09/24/17 ( 1)
        
        Like I said.... - D Harvey 10:44:02 09/24/17 ( 0)

RE: So just what the hell IS jazz, anyway? - lokie 05:26:52 09/23/17 ( 15)

Wayne Shorter says... - D Harvey 08:46:25 09/23/17 ( 14)
- The Sound of Surprise... - musetap 10:17:04 09/23/17 ( 1)
  - Yes - exactly! - andy evans 13:30:08 09/23/17 ( 0)
- RE: Wayne Shorter says... - fantja 09:26:41 09/23/17 ( 11)
  - "If ya gotta ask.... - D Harvey 10:16:25 09/23/17 ( 10)
    - Ahhh... definitions... "Bebop is Chinese music"... - musetap 10:20:48 09/23/17 ( 9)
      - Angular banjos sound good to me! - D Harvey 10:25:26 09/23/17 ( 8)
        
        Keeping abreast with rapid developments wasn't always so easy back then... - musetap 10:34:13 09/23/17 ( 7)
        
        I don't agree with that statement at all. - D Harvey 10:39:22 09/23/17 ( 6)
        
        Really? I've found that the parameters have become more rigid... - musetap 10:54:50 09/23/17 ( 5)
        
        You're hearing the wrong records, I think. - D Harvey 11:12:33 09/23/17 ( 4)
        
        I'm hearing the wrong everything... - musetap 12:14:42 09/23/17 ( 2)
        
        There's no "wrong" music of course.... - D Harvey 15:30:40 09/23/17 ( 1)
        
        RE: There's no "wrong" music of course.... - GEO 05:54:13 09/25/17 ( 0)
        
        RE: You're hearing the wrong records, I think. - fantja 11:41:27 09/23/17 ( 0)

Jazz in 2017 is NOT "American music" - andy evans 21:13:18 09/22/17 ( 21)

As you said, regarding jazz the label *American* is about origin. But Jeez..... - Rick W 12:08:38 09/23/17 ( 19)
- And none of it would exist without its inventor... - musetap 18:05:01 09/23/17 ( 0)
- I'm staying with my point of view on this - andy evans 13:26:24 09/23/17 ( 17)
  - Had to chcukle at your link. - Rick W 15:36:35 09/23/17 ( 4)
    - You're just being cantankerous now.... - andy evans 15:50:20 09/23/17 ( 3)
      - And music underpinned by a drumset player was invented in America. - D Harvey 16:06:28 09/23/17 ( 2)
        
        Where music was invented isn't always where it ends up.... - andy evans 00:19:06 09/24/17 ( 1)
        
        I think you're conflating a few things here. - D Harvey 08:06:53 09/24/17 ( 0)
  - No matter how ya slice it..... - Rick W 14:06:29 09/23/17 ( 11)
    - "Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree about this". - andy evans 14:24:37 09/23/17 ( 10)
      - If it's not useful... - D Harvey 14:56:55 09/23/17 ( 9)
        
        OK - here's some Euro and Afro Jazz - andy evans 15:25:34 09/23/17 ( 8)
        
        Hmmm... - D Harvey 16:04:06 09/23/17 ( 7)
        
        You're falling into a trap here... - andy evans 00:00:25 09/24/17 ( 5)
        
        RE: You're falling into a trap here... - Jim Pearce 07:32:33 09/24/17 ( 4)
        
        Well this is an angle I never saw coming. - D Harvey 18:16:33 09/24/17 ( 1)
        
        everyone? - Jim Pearce 05:33:32 09/25/17 ( 0)
        
        Interesting to bring up the hermeneutic circle.... - andy evans 10:26:17 09/24/17 ( 1)
        
        RE: Interesting to bring up the hermeneutic circle.... - Jim Pearce 11:41:22 09/24/17 ( 0)
        
        " Jazz can inform one's music without it actually BEING one's music."... - musetap 17:31:24 09/23/17 ( 0)
Eh...maybe. - D Harvey 07:10:44 09/23/17 ( 0)

well... - Jim Pearce 20:20:50 09/22/17 ( 7)

And those are the kinds of observations.... - D Harvey 20:32:24 09/22/17 ( 6)
- classical and medieval (original intruments)... - Jim Pearce 04:20:19 09/23/17 ( 5)
  - One of the GREAT pleasures of "Early" music (mostly sourced through the BRILLIANT Jordi Savall)... - musetap 10:46:55 09/23/17 ( 3)
    - Nothing new under the sun....or even our own heads. - D Harvey 10:56:02 09/23/17 ( 2)
      - Coming with something new is a bitch. Very rare. - Rick W 16:00:34 09/23/17 ( 1)
        
        I thought I had some new ideas. - D Harvey 16:07:34 09/23/17 ( 0)
  - Well put. (nt) - D Harvey 06:49:20 09/23/17 ( 0)