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In Reply to: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? posted by thump on July 17, 2019 at 17:37:25:
A PLLXO can work wonders - it presents a non-varying impedance load to the preamp eliminating the need for Zobels and other tricks of the trade, and provides all the power benefits of line-level biamping. However there are some major drawbacks: 1) the crossover frequencies are dependent on the input and output impedances - change the amp or preamp and the PLLXO needs to be redesigned; 2) for practical reasons, the XO is limited to first-order which may not work with all drivers; 3) the insertion losses of the bass and treble filters need to be matched to the amplifiers so the overall gain of the both sections are the same - doable but must be designed and may limit one to using identical amps; 4) like all crossovers the crossover frequencies need to be designed for the specific speaker. Basically all these issues means that off-the-shelf modules are likely to be a disappointment. If you are serious about a PLLXO, then some electronics knowledge is needed to get it right. One other issue, if one goes to a line-level XO (active or passive), the speaker-level crossover needs to be disconnected and likely an extra set of input jacks added to the speaker. This requires some basic soldering skills and may effect the re-sale value of the speakers.
BTW, biamping at the speaker level is of limited value and IMO is not worth the cost of a second amp and cables.
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Topic - Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - thump 17:37:25 07/17/19 ( 39)
- RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - Story 02:36:10 07/22/19 ( 0)
RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - Mr_Steady 05:42:19 07/19/19 ( 3)
- RE: marchand - thump 16:24:28 08/11/19 ( 0)
RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - Davey 07:27:14 07/19/19 ( 1)
- Good point, thanks (NT) - Mr_Steady 07:35:44 07/19/19 ( 0)
RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - neolith 07/19/19 04:46:50 07/19/19 ( 0)
Line level passives are great - bare 09:06:22 07/18/19 ( 6)
- Not really. - Mr. Dick Hertz 12:02:32 07/18/19 ( 1)
- i meant LINE LEVEL passive crossovers - thump 15:32:53 08/11/19 ( 0)
I am not so sure................ - Kal Rubinson 11:48:14 07/18/19 ( 3)
- RE: I am not so sure................ - Davey 14:10:17 07/18/19 ( 2)
- then why the love for manley's "massive passive" & gyratecs? - thump 15:41:37 08/11/19 ( 0)
- Agreed. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 17:35:45 07/18/19 ( 0)
RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - HiOnFi 07:55:31 07/18/19 ( 0)
RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - Alpha Al 05:49:39 07/18/19 ( 1)
- impedance matching - thump 15:55:18 08/11/19 ( 0)
Those are pretty simple but................... - Kal Rubinson 19:47:29 07/17/19 ( 3)
- i don't want to DIY - thump 15:57:47 08/11/19 ( 0)
RE: Those are pretty simple but................... - hahax@verizon.net 20:36:28 07/17/19 ( 1)
- RE: Those are pretty simple but................... - Kal Rubinson 05:56:19 07/18/19 ( 0)
I have used those in line filters - they work well, - hawkmoon 19:02:52 07/17/19 ( 2)
- first, i need to find a job - thump 15:31:28 08/11/19 ( 0)
same here - lokie 06:33:41 07/22/19 ( 0)
RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - OldNuke 18:27:48 07/17/19 ( 1)
- RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - thump 17:42:55 07/24/19 ( 0)
Not needed - Awe-d-o-file 18:20:43 07/17/19 ( 6)
- RE: speaker vs. line level - thump 17:37:39 07/24/19 ( 1)
- RE: speaker vs. line level - Davey 06:49:23 07/25/19 ( 0)
the "RCA thing" is a filter, too - mhardy6647 06:08:47 07/18/19 ( 2)
- aka K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) - thump 15:59:40 08/11/19 ( 0)
RE: the "RCA thing" is a filter, too - Awe-d-o-file 08:14:23 07/18/19 ( 0)
RE: Not needed - thump 18:36:08 07/17/19 ( 0)
RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - Mr. Dick Hertz 17:51:53 07/17/19 ( 6)
- RE: Why NOT inline passive crossovers for bi-amping? - thump 18:49:00 07/17/19 ( 5)
- re ported speakers - Bill Way 20:42:41 07/18/19 ( 4)
- RE: re ported speakers - thump 16:16:36 08/11/19 ( 1)
- RE: re ported speakers - Bill Way 07:04:02 08/12/19 ( 0)
- RE: re ported speakers - b.l.zeebub 04:37:39 07/22/19 ( 1)
- RE: re ported speakers - Bill Way 08:04:10 07/22/19 ( 0)