Classical Court: No argument about the ideas, I'm just not sold on the overall execution of those ideas. by jdaniel@jps.net

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Topic - The Romantic Composer Spohr - John C. - Aussie 23:01:23 07/25/21 ( 48)

I've only head his clarinet concerti. Another second rate composer, if you ask me! - oldmkvi 06:55:09 07/26/21 ( 45)
- Why would anyone ask you?... - SE 15:40:16 07/26/21 ( 8)
  - No one would, that's why I post here. - oldmkvi 08:45:27 07/27/21 ( 5)
    - RE: No one would, that's why I post here. - Pat D 19:43:03 07/28/21 ( 4)
      - Thank You! - oldmkvi 06:51:56 07/30/21 ( 0)
      - "I am always interested in what you have to say about music." - Chris from Lafayette 00:29:22 07/29/21 ( 2)
        
        ! Disagree at your peril... - oldmkvi 06:53:05 07/30/21 ( 1)
        
        I'm often in enough peril as it is! ;-) [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:39:46 07/30/21 ( 0)
  - +1 (nt) - Ferrous Oxide 19:45:33 07/26/21 ( 0)
  - RE: Why would anyone ask you?... - Ivan303 15:58:20 07/26/21 ( 0)
- So what are the criteria upon which to judge if a composer is second rate? - John C. - Aussie 13:14:53 07/26/21 ( 6)
  - So you consider him First rate? - Rick W 08:24:24 07/27/21 ( 2)
    - Back in the distant, distant past, High Fidelity had an article about Spohr - Chris from Lafayette 10:43:09 07/27/21 ( 1)
      - High Fidelity Magazine - Those Were The Days [nt] - Ferrous Oxide 20:31:03 07/27/21 ( 0)
  - "trite and shallow" - Ferrous Oxide 19:57:50 07/26/21 ( 2)
    - I agree with you - John C. - Aussie 21:15:01 07/26/21 ( 1)
      - Critics? Forget It - and - The Maid of Orleans - Ferrous Oxide 22:01:40 07/26/21 ( 0)
- Second rate composer? - PAR 11:29:01 07/26/21 ( 3)
  - Yes - I've heard that - but actually, I think Strauss is a first-rate composer period, end of story! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 12:42:44 07/26/21 ( 2)
    - +1 (nt) - Ferrous Oxide 20:51:25 07/27/21 ( 0)
    - +1 nt - oldmkvi 08:47:06 07/27/21 ( 0)
- The only Spohr album in my collectiopn contains his Nonet and String Sextet - Chris from Lafayette 09:50:02 07/26/21 ( 17)
  - The Saint-Saens 3 Is An Acknowledged Masterpiece - Ferrous Oxide 20:52:29 07/26/21 ( 16)
    - So is Strauss' Elektra. Although tonality "wins," there are portions that are far more thorny than Berg's VC - jdaniel@jps.net 22:42:33 07/26/21 ( 15)
      - I disagree - Elektra doesn't sound thorny to me at all - Chris from Lafayette 00:53:22 07/27/21 ( 14)
        
        The Liszt Faust - Towering Genius & Shockingly Advanced - Ferrous Oxide 20:42:05 07/27/21 ( 2)
        
        No argument about the ideas, I'm just not sold on the overall execution of those ideas. - jdaniel@jps.net 07/28/21 10:12:07 07/28/21 ( 0)
        
        Indeed! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 01:36:04 07/28/21 ( 0)
        
        Thorny was just a polite word for "screechy," "incomprehensible," "torturous," ... - jdaniel@jps.net 08:56:46 07/27/21 ( 10)
        
        Oh dear! You've proven the opposite of what you wanted to prove! - Chris from Lafayette 11:08:21 07/27/21 ( 9)
        
        Hold on to your dear, I claimed nothing. I had just forgotten how banal Liszt's Faust actually is! - jdaniel@jps.net 12:35:52 07/27/21 ( 8)
        
        Banal? - Ferrous Oxide 20:45:38 07/27/21 ( 1)
        
        This thread is partially in fun though - Chris from Lafayette 01:41:43 07/28/21 ( 0)
        
        "I'll sit down and try a few [of the Liszt Tone Poems] again" - That's the spirit! - Chris from Lafayette 13:11:17 07/27/21 ( 5)
        
        I guess there were so many magical, transcendent passages to tell me about... - jdaniel@jps.net 15:35:47 07/27/21 ( 4)
        
        I Fail To See The Point - Ferrous Oxide 20:50:34 07/27/21 ( 2)
        
        Point was, there is a remarkable passage in the Lizst, (cued within) that would be right at home in - jdaniel@jps.net 07:39:30 07/28/21 ( 0)
        
        I never mind lowering myself to this level of foolishness [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 01:43:38 07/28/21 ( 0)
        
        Indeed - The magnificent internal structure of these works. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:52:31 07/27/21 ( 0)
- Based on ONE WORK? - Ivan303 08:33:08 07/26/21 ( 5)
  - IIRC Beethoven praised the compositions of Spohr - Jay Buridan 05:35:05 07/29/21 ( 0)
  - Concerti. - oldmkvi 07:32:33 07/28/21 ( 0)
  - A lot of clarinet concerti sound facile to me - including Mozart's [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:00:59 07/26/21 ( 2)
    - A lot of piano concerti sound like glorified arpeggios to me :-) nt - Rick W 12:23:40 07/26/21 ( 1)
      - Some of them no doubt [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 12:39:16 07/26/21 ( 0)
- KDFC Has Gone SO FAR Off the Deep End - Sibelius 07:33:43 07/26/21 ( 0)
Awww...great story! A quick study shows that she was a VERY... - SE 05:54:03 07/26/21 ( 0)
Wonderful story! I did not know it [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 00:43:00 07/26/21 ( 0)